Moonkin DPS Spreadsheet - Page 40

Vauk · 12/18/07, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by ariyana

Forgive me if this seems newbie-ish.

If the spreadsheet is telling me my DPS average should be 1000+ but I'm getting 750 out of WWS, does that mean I'm just failing at my spell rotation?

Also, how are you guys using the Idol of the unseen moon? Right now I added it to a moonfire macro to equip it after first moonfire cast, then my starfire or wrath cast macros equip their idol appropriately.

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Both these questions have been asked many many times. But here goes anyhow

If your spreadsheet dps does not match your actual dps check these things:
1. Are you moving alot? Casting Battle Res? Shifting out to heal?
2. Are you slowing down because of aggro? Are you slowing down because of mana?
3. Are all buff being added correctly. (Do you have that ele shaman? Is judgement of wisdom up as much as you put on the sheet? etc...)
4. Are you able to chain cast each spell in your rotation without much lag or is your 14 second rotation taking 15 seconds of actual time?

If you go back a few pages there was a good discussion about Idol of the Unseen Moon i'd suggest you read those and then re-ask any questions.

ariyana · 12/18/07, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Vauk

Both these questions have been asked many many times. But here goes anyhow

If your spreadsheet dps does not match your actual dps check these things:
1. Are you moving alot? Casting Battle Res? Shifting out to heal?
2. Are you slowing down because of aggro? Are you slowing down because of mana?
3. Are all buff being added correctly. (Do you have that ele shaman? Is judgement of wisdom up as much as you put on the sheet? etc...)
4. Are you able to chain cast each spell in your rotation without much lag or is your 14 second rotation taking 15 seconds of actual time?

If you go back a few pages there was a good discussion about Idol of the Unseen Moon i'd suggest you read those and then re-ask any questions.

Thanks, I am not trying to be the "I didn't read the thread" monkey, there were not many specific answers about the differences reading through the thread (I checked it after I saw 2 or 3 others also asked). My latency is usually low, looking through WWS, I saw that curse of shadows actually wasn't up much, which kills a bit of the arcane damage and puts a wrath rotation back higher on the chain, and puts me closer to the target...I only had to move for the BR and got watery graved once. I have a rebirth marked in the spreadsheet, that is supposed to be taken into account of the DPS already then no? I did not slow down for agro or mana. (we wiped ~5m in, so I didn't have issues with either)

On the Idol side, I've seen discussions on both sides about if it effectively procs if it is equipped before or after the moonfire cast in the same macro and I have not been able to find an answer nor figure it out on Dr Bomb yet... I usually have a less < 150ms ping and low-latency (.4s or less for the most part).

Oh, on the lower-level equipment boomkin side, there was once piece I used for a while that's not in the spreadsheet -> [Eye of the Night] .. I don't use it anymore, but some earlier starter boomkins might be looking for it.

Benita · 12/19/07, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by ariyana

My latency is usually low, looking through WWS, I saw that curse of shadows actually wasn't up much, which kills a bit of the arcane damage and puts a wrath rotation back higher on the chain, and puts me closer to the target...I only had to move for the BR and got watery graved once. I have a rebirth marked in the spreadsheet, that is supposed to be taken into account of the DPS already then no?

"Calculates potential lost DPS for mana and cast time spent on a battle res. Does not include shapeshift costs or other delay factors (such as locating & getting in range of corpse)."

Thats from the "tooltip" info. Also being in the grave would mean about a 15 sec recovery time. If you add the 10-15sec pulltime its together 10% less dps in a 5min fight.

The spreadsheet dps only shows the theoretical maximum meaning Patchwerk like conditions. Any delay you have to manually estimate as a dps loss.

Thermomenes · 12/19/07, 12:59 PM

Under the In-Game Coefficients section there is a box called the "CSD expected effect" what is the CSD?

EDIT: Ok, so i found out the CSD is chaotic skyfire diamond...but why is there a dropdown menu for expected effect of up to .09?

can the CSD have a variable crit damage % rating?

Efejel · 12/19/07, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Thermomenes

Under the In-Game Coefficients section there is a box called the "CSD expected effect" what is the CSD?

EDIT: Ok, so i found out the CSD is chaotic skyfire diamond...but why is there a dropdown menu for expected effect of up to .09?

can the CSD have a variable crit damage % rating?

Originally, that box was for Relentless Earthstorm Diamond, which was bugged and doing 9% addt'l crit damage due to the way it was factored before talents. Reports from a PTR suggested it had been fixed, and was doing the proper 3%. Then live hit, and it wasn't doing anything for spells any more. A while later, Blizz confirmed W-A-I and added the CSD to replace the RED for casters.

I just re-named the box, as I hadn't seen any reports on how CSD was factoring with talents. If anyone can confirm it's not affected by talents, I'll remove that drop-down.

P.S. - RL has been busy, combined efforts to make slight in-game progression through heroics & honor farming, have resulted in spreadsheet neglect. Many apologies.

Vandiego · 12/19/07, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tarranus

Any chance at some WWSs? A lot of theory goes back and forth here and as one of the few balance druids to have Illidan down I think you could give some nice insight.

Here's what we did tonight. I'll post Mother, Council, and Illidan tomorrow if you'd like. Ignore Essence of Anger, I accidentally left my pillar on from the end of P2.

Wow Web Stats

I tried wrath for fun on Akama and Anger tonight as well. Last time I'm gonna do that.

I was using MF/SFx5 with the 2p T6 tonight instead of 4p T5. If you swap in T6 shoulders and Icon you can see my raiding kit for tonight. 33 to 36% Character Sheet crit, so I should've been around 40%+ for the night. Ran with 2 elemental shamans up to Gorefiend then one was swapped for a SP.

Thermomenes · 12/19/07, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Efejel

Originally, that box was for Relentless Earthstorm Diamond, which was bugged and doing 9% addt'l crit damage due to the way it was factored before talents. Reports from a PTR suggested it had been fixed, and was doing the proper 3%. Then live hit, and it wasn't doing anything for spells any more. A while later, Blizz confirmed W-A-I and added the CSD to replace the RED for casters.

I just re-named the box, as I hadn't seen any reports on how CSD was factoring with talents. If anyone can confirm it's not affected by talents, I'll remove that drop-down.

P.S. - RL has been busy, combined efforts to make slight in-game progression through heroics & honor farming, have resulted in spreadsheet neglect. Many apologies.

I did some checking on wowhead and people are saying they have tested the CSD as being subject to increased critical damage talents and it is providing a 9% increase on crits.

Thermomenes · 12/20/07, 5:10 AM

Originally Posted by Vandiego

Here's what we did tonight. I'll post Mother, Council, and Illidan tomorrow if you'd like. Ignore Essence of Anger, I accidentally left my pillar on from the end of P2.

Wow Web Stats

I tried wrath for fun on Akama and Anger tonight as well. Last time I'm gonna do that.

I was using MF/SFx5 with the 2p T6 tonight instead of 4p T5. If you swap in T6 shoulders and Icon you can see my raiding kit for tonight. 33 to 36% Character Sheet crit, so I should've been around 40%+ for the night. Ran with 2 elemental shamans up to Gorefiend then one was swapped for a SP.

van,

I'm surprised you are being consistently beat and bracketed by elemental shamans. Your gear seems to be near exact matches slot for slot with your elemental buddies but you are still getting beat. Surprising since elemental shamans have a harder time scaling than balance druids. They just dont get as many spell coefficient buffs and raid buffs as we do.

Vandiego · 12/20/07, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Thermomenes

van,

I'm surprised you are being consistently beat and bracketed by elemental shamans. Your gear seems to be near exact matches slot for slot with your elemental buddies but you are still getting beat. Surprising since elemental shamans have a harder time scaling than balance druids. They just dont get as many spell coefficient buffs and raid buffs as we do.

Sahyklohn is amazing dps, he averages 50 to 60% crit on every fight. That combined with the TLC is an amazing combo. As it stands right now I can't put out 15 to 1600 dps consistently, if you know of a way to do that please by all means enlighten me.

Until I get T6 and the 50%+ paper crit I'm working towards SF won't put out enough damage. You need to theoretically achieve a 3k starfire without using the T5 bonus to pull those kind of numbers.

Tarranus · 12/20/07, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Vandiego

Here's what we did tonight. I'll post Mother, Council, and Illidan tomorrow if you'd like. Ignore Essence of Anger, I accidentally left my pillar on from the end of P2.

Wow Web Stats

I tried wrath for fun on Akama and Anger tonight as well. Last time I'm gonna do that.

I was using MF/SFx5 with the 2p T6 tonight instead of 4p T5. If you swap in T6 shoulders and Icon you can see my raiding kit for tonight. 33 to 36% Character Sheet crit, so I should've been around 40%+ for the night. Ran with 2 elemental shamans up to Gorefiend then one was swapped for a SP.

Thank you so much for the WWS's... Do you have 4 piece tier 6 too? If so could you possibly run 4 piece tier 5 and compare the avg dmg output to 4 piece tier 6?

Vandiego · 12/20/07, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Tarranus

Thank you so much for the WWS's... Do you have 4 piece tier 6 too? If so could you possibly run 4 piece tier 5 and compare the avg dmg output to 4 piece tier 6?

No, council hates us. We've only had 1 pair drop thus far. And I've missed the last 4 Archi kills due to having to work Tuesdays.

As soon as I do I'll let you know. I'm dying to get the pants so I can get rid of these last few hit gems.

Elaith · 12/20/07, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mossface

I am just curious if you high end balance druids are getting a shadow priest in your group. I am currently geared pretty solidly with 1090 spell, 21ish crit, and hit capped. My only issue has been mana regen where i am hangnin around 91/5 unbuffed. If i have a shadow priest its not an issue, but without one i tend to lose some serious dps due to ooming. I have an alch stone which helps but its still not good enough on some of the longer fights. Would i be better off downranking with my current situation or maybe make a mana regen set or something, or just beg for the spriest every raid

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My group make-up in 25 mans is usually Destro Warlock, Mage, Shadow Priest, Elemental Shaman, and than me as balance. The shadow-priest is key to the mana regen of the entire group.

Moginheden · 12/20/07, 6:24 PM

Originally Posted by Vandiego

Here's what we did tonight. I'll post Mother, Council, and Illidan tomorrow if you'd like. Ignore Essence of Anger, I accidentally left my pillar on from the end of P2.

Wow Web Stats

I tried wrath for fun on Akama and Anger tonight as well. Last time I'm gonna do that.

I was using MF/SFx5 with the 2p T6 tonight instead of 4p T5. If you swap in T6 shoulders and Icon you can see my raiding kit for tonight. 33 to 36% Character Sheet crit, so I should've been around 40%+ for the night. Ran with 2 elemental shamans up to Gorefiend then one was swapped for a SP.

What does the spreadsheet put you at for dps using the rotations you used on those fights? Are you 10% lower on WWS than the spreadsheet? is the spreadsheet pretty close to WWS?

Vandiego · 12/20/07, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by Moginheden

What does the spreadsheet put you at for dps using the rotations you used on those fights? Are you 10% lower on WWS than the spreadsheet? is the spreadsheet pretty close to WWS?

I think its around 14 and change, I redo my gear setup on a regular basis. So I only have my "wishlist" in the spreadsheet.

I'm just trying to get to the point to where I can make a set for each individual fight, because the simple IS/MF/SFx3 doesn't do all that well in BT.

I like the MF/SFx4/5/Wrath combo but it requires you to watch your timers so closely you lose a grasp of whats going on around you which can get you killed.

For tonight I will do a simple pure SF rotation for Mother, probably SF only for Council too, since that guy loves to resist all my nature spells. Illidan, I'll roll my normal rotation for P1/2/3 and go with a wrath cycle on demon phase. That fight just depends on being able to get a good spot without being OOR while continuing to avoid chaining fires.

phoenixtail · 12/20/07, 10:51 PM

Thank you Efejel for the great work. I just wonder if you could include 'Destruction Potion' in your spreadsheet. With a high dps spriest and shaman in my group, I generally never bother for mana regen and would prefer destruction potion to super mana potion. I think it may help to make the spreadsheet more complete, if possible.