I'll double check with him but should be
t6helm
kael neck
t6 shoulders
council cloak
t5 chest
bracers of nimble thought (RoS hasn't dropped theres yet)
t6 gloves
Badge Boomkin belt
t6 legs
RoS Boots
Rings hmmm Pretty sure Ancient Knowneldge and Revered Band of Eternity
Trinkets Icon and Exalted BT
weapon is S2 Staff been waiting on Illi staff , Idol hmm prolly the starfire one.

I'm like 95% sure thats what he had on but i'll double check with him

Care to elaborate on that a little ?

Sorry, I am just a nosy little Moonkin ;-)

I can confirm that it does not stack in terms of armor reduction.

I'm alliance, and I had a feral druid and a horde pally help me.

Depending on WHO put up their FF, it will get that reduction ONLY. feralFF rank6 first cast, pally lost -610.


But If I put up my FF rank 4 1st, pally only lost -505.

The spreadsheet has been a big help so far. It has told me that I can put out 1170 DPS with my normal group composition and buffs. I have actually completed Karazhan, Gruul's, Magtheridon, and SSC minus Vashj as moonkin now (been through all content in-game as resto). You can armory me to give yourself an idea of my gear/sp dmg/etc.

I typed my group comp and whatnot in the spreadsheet; and it suggested Starfire only as my highest dps rotation. But the only fights that worked for was Magtheridon and Morogrim. Even Magtheridon, I had to spend a good 10-20% of the fight not DPSing so the DPS for that fight, although I did come in at #5, was not as good as I was expecting. I spammed that button like nobody's business.

All the other 25 man fights, I had low DPS between 650-850 and came in at #7-#10 on damage meters varyingly. Competing against DPS mains in nearly full t6 would explain some of it, I'm sure; but I was really expecting a little bit more out of myself than 650-850. Overall, I came in at #7 behind the warlocks and rogues.

I also ended most fights with half mana, even when i did NOT chug mana potions (I used destro's w/o an spriest nearly the entire time). So I *know* I must be doing something wrong or haven't tried something, because I shouldn't have so much mana available to me at the end of the fight. I am hit capped pretty much all the time.

For trash, I IS/MF/Wrath'd pretty much the whole time. This worked fairly well, as I was coming in from #1 to #4 on it. Still, was about 300-400 DPS behind spreadsheet but considering I didn't have anywhere near the same buffs for the trash as I did for the bosses, this is to be expected I think.

On Magtheridon, I spammed starfire only on Magtheridon, with IS/MF/Wrath on the trash & channelers, used Alc Stone + Ashtongue, chugged mana potions early, was a cube clicker, and still came in as #5 overall. Mana was 10% or less at the end so this worked out very nicely. This fight went really just as I expected. Got about 900 DPS overall.

On Hydross I just starfired since I didn't want to screw up the aggro resets. Ashtongue + Alc Stone but ended up not using mana pots like i thought i would. I chugged destro pots for lack of mana shortage. Came in #9 on this one.

On Lurker I just starfired since I thought that would be the best rotation but I was standing on one of the platforms and couldn't cast in the water during spout for some reason. Again, I thought I would use mana potions but didn't so I still used the same trinkets from Hydross, Ashtongue + Alc Stone. I chugged destro pots for lack of mana shortage. On damage, I came in at #10-12 or something atrocious.

On Karathress I did starfire only. I did use mana potions for this one but did abysmally, came in at #12 or something. I was using Ashtongue + Alc Stone.

On Leotheras I spammed starfire the first wipe, which didn't work very well, so I chugged destro pots and spammed wrath during non whirlwind phases. I did not DPS at all during whirlwind. I did not use dots for fear of pulling aggro. The trinkets for this fight were Starkiller's Bauble + Xiri's Gift this time, since I finally caught on that I wasn't using mana potions enough to warrant using an Alc Stone. I chugged destro pots for lack of mana shortage.

On Morogrim I had an spriest (the only fight I had an spriest for in Mag/SSC) so I put on Starkiller's Bauble + Ashtongue Talisman, chugged destro pots, did starfire only, and hit 1065 DPS, but still coming in at #7 behind a couple warlocks, a couple rogues, and an spriest or two.

Considering this is one of my first days as a raiding moonkin I did alright but now I have the somewhat confusing task of tweaking my DPS. These fights were all 4-8 minutes (approximately). Are any of these fights short enough/non-mana intensive enough for me to not use starfire only? Or should I really focus on putting DoTs up more often and still use Starfire? Am I just not transitioning from place to place/mob to mob/moving around quickly enough? The parses i looked at here, most everyone uses starfire only; but those parses are all/mostly BT/Hyjal and/or the moonkins are wearing t5 4pc bonus.

I am not wearing 4pc t5 and probably never will just because this is an offspec and my gear is good enough for everything I will be doing in this spec. I have decent gear though, so I am thinking there is no reason I can't do alot better (30%+)

However, we will be finishing SSC tomorrow with Vashj and more than likely go clear TK as well. Does anyone have any suggestions for rotations or suggestions to adjust? Should I be using IS/MF/Wrath rotation on most of these bosses, or IS/MF/SF? I think I overestimated the amount of mana I needed and/or am not using the correct/best rotation for the SSC bosses.

Starfire only might be the best option mana wize, but my best option is to cast moonfire and starfire during the duration of the dot. Even if you would do Insect Swarm and starfire during the ticks you'll get more dps.
You're saying that you didn't have to gultch alot of pots or none at all, so mana is not a problem so the cost of your moonfire will add in your dps output. Have you tryed to customise the raotation in the sheet?; by setting moonfire to 1 and set starfire to 3,4 or 5 it might get you a higher dps than starfire only.

There are times when you can't cast starfire or wrath because you have to move. Sometimes you can't cast at all if you got a dot up you will be doing damage at that time. At Lurker for instance it might be better to cast wrath and just before you have to jump into the water you cast IS and MF so you still dps while you are submerged and waiting for the spout to pass.

On Leo you can still dot just be sure not to have a dot up when he ends ww or transions to and from demonform. In normal form you might wanna have a rotatin of IS and Wrath as he will go ww soon and you can get more damg in than with the slower SF (still wait for tank to get aggro ofc) during ww you can throw in an occational wrath but just don't get hit (better be save than sorry). On Demonform is the time to do your best rotation. If you get innerdemon MF/IS barkskin and wrath spam as it is nature vulnerable.

On Vashj I had no trouble being on elementals mostly moonfire + starfire, unless it's a tainted than I mf +wrath spam as I don't want it to despawn.(also save any dps trinkets cd for a tainted) Starfire only won't cut it imo as you'll misout on the dps provided by the dot. Your in luck we had to attune some new tryouts and I was at Vashj on sunday night, so I remembered =P If not on elementals you'll prolly be on striders and that is doting strider and helping on naga's untill the kiter has gotten enough aggro and you you can go full nuke (best rotation)

To sum it up imo you'll get better dps by MF/ an amount of SF's (guessing 3x-4x) as best rotaion atm, but at some encounters will need you to addjust that (as the examples above). At least you'll see you're dps go up from only spamming starfire =)

Is there any chance of getting the Chaotic Skyfire Diamond updated. The requierments have changed to at least 2 blue gems instead of exactly 2 blue gems, what where they thinking or on at Blizz when they came up with that one.
Anyhoo thanks for the great work on the spreadsheet been very helpfull. Just got my t5 chest in an attunement run, the sheet helped me figure out that it was worth banking my t6 gloves and Robe of the Shadow Council untill I get more T6 pieces. The T5 4 piece set-bonus is just that imba gives me about 100 dps more =)

Wow. Way to foster communication by being condescending. Remind me not to attempt to ever have a conversation with you.

Thanks for the pointer anyway.

Hey there Van Diego,

I had a chance to read only your tip prior to last night's raid so I didn't get to see all these great awesome comments/suggestions before last night.

Anyways, I went and looked at that and you're right; I was really slow; my DPS went up from a hundred to up to two hundred DPS on last night's bosses and 30 dps increase over the whole night (so i stayed the same for trash). I came in at #2 on my assignments instead of coming in at #7-8! And #2 by a very small margin to an spriest! I beat my rogue husband in damage! Aha, man that was awesome. I didn't have an spriest the whole entire night but I DID chug mana potions this time, I seemed to actually need them much more than previously.

I still had more mana than I wanted so I will DEFINITELY be trying these other suggestions on this weekend's raid. I haven't thought of some of this stuff at all. Like, for example, yes, CoS is up all the time on nearly all bosses and trash, so ya, there really is no reason for me not to be using arcane all the time.

Wow, thanks alot, I'm really impressed, hah. I had so much fun this weekend I can't wait for next weekend, hehe. Balance is ever so much fun. I haven't really learned anything new about druids in a long time, it seems like. It is so refreshing to learn something new AND be successful at it at the same time.

Thanks for the response. I've been thinking about it for a few days, and I'm going to try out impFF tonight in BT. I'm geared pretty far below my tanks (I'm in ZA gear and 2/5 T5, the tanks are all starting to get T6 set bonuses), so I'm not threat capped... Though I may be tonight!

Our performance on the first few bosses in BT has really been improving, but I think we'll find it plateau'd a bit tonight, so things should be about the same as they were this time last week; it should be a pretty good comparison.

The question I have now (and I suppose I should have asked this earlier, so I could use the response in the raid tonight), is, in your math (again, I'm not a great math person), does that imply any re-tooling of the tanks' gear? Or does that depend on whether they're hit capped?

Thanks!

The math indeed assumes the tank is not hit capped.

In general tanks aren't hit capped so they shouldn't need to rearrange anything. Any physical DPS who is hit capped will have to rearrange their gear to gain benefit from it. Physical DPS could increase by 1-2% depending on being hit capped or regearing etc. Just mention it to your DPS that IFF gives 3% hit, and let them worry about the rest. And make sure to keep it up and not forget to reapply it.

Um so I can't help but notice that the elunite imbued leggings are missing from the gear list...

Also we raid with a Retadin, which may be increasingly common... +3% crit from JotC?