What works for me is to still use Quartz so I can see how long my cast is anyway, but spam the button as it's nearing the red. Not doing so may as well be like not using stopcasting before the spell queue system.

Just thought you should know, you have a melee hit rating gem in your chest piece.

There's an addon called LagInfo in Cursegaming.com that you can check to see how much time you have between your casts. However, do not blindly trust this addon since it's been giving me some fishy numbers. In another words, use it at your own risk!

Check AHK (Autohotkey) discussion from earlier. The program basically mashes the button for you to optimize the spam time. If you aren't spamming it's like having -90 haste on your gear. You should really get used to spamming the button if you don't want to rely on a program or a logitec gaming keyboard. However, there's a terrible side effect of losing your wrist overtime.

I would rather discourage using AutoHotKey. This program is considered "illegal" by Blizzard, as it automates key pressing, and thus may lead you in trouble. I've never seen anyone being banned by using it, but it's better to play safe.

This kinda brought up another question. Have you, or any of you EJ-guys noticed a particularily high amount of partial resists in comparison with other boss-encounters or.. is it just me again? Somehow it feels like this boss has a high amount of resistances and boy, it shows. 791 Starfire crits are always a huge confidence-boost. I might be talking out of my.. rear-end, but shouldn't Spell Penetration decrease the amount of partial resists and if it does, perhaps it might be wise to enchant / gem it?

Have a bit of questions as I am currently in the process of leveling a druid primarily for PvE Moonkin...

First, upon hitting 70 and gearing for such things as entry level raids like Karazhan, etc. is it best to go in the route as a Destruction warlock would and try to hit the +hit cap (which I believe I read is about 152 or so)?

Second, gearing for entry level, is it worth it to wear such cloth items as Spellstrike while saving up badges for some nicer stuff before I can grab something from a T5+ level raid?

Finally, I've been reading of 1:1 ratio in terms of +damage to +haste but at entry level is it better to use +hit instead? I really see the only haste coming from Isle of Quel'danas badge items unless you get something like a Heart of Darkness to use in a craft.

I'm sure most of this has been covered already, but 63 pages is iffy to look through and unless I am blind there is no real Moonkin compendium on here.

Thanks.

This statement, like many people have discussed and confirmed with GM, is false. If you do not automate game play and you actually have to hold down a key, it is considered legal. Check One-stop elemental stop in EJ thread for a blue confirmation. Code posted posted by Ef is completely legal. It is the same thing as having a G15 logitec keyboard in turbo mode, and it is not considered illegal by blizzard.

You should really use the spreadsheet on this page to figure out your itemization. Spell damage might even be better than Hit depending on how "entry-level" you are. Every stat is interdependent on each other, and it's all about figuring out how much of a stat optimizes your raid DPS compared to certain amount of another stat.

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Okay, this last week I bit it in the fight (98% presence, 4m33s out of 4m55s), so not too much lost time, but I got off 68 starfires and 18 starfires and averaged 1272 dmg. This does seem to line up similar to what was in RAWR for my equipment at the time, so I guess I am doing alright. I did do a bit of button mashing. Any simple way to turn off the stupid warning click sounds? I use ui_clear_error, but it doesn't seem to stop it....I also gained about 100dps on Najentus, up to about 1050 from 950. I did break 1300 when I was downing destro potions, but I also didn't have my uber-enhancement shaman then, he came late (the kill round) and at that point I had run out of destro pots. :-/

I've just bought in some new badge gear and swapped some gem's around, soon as I get it all set, I should be 30-40 haste higher (RAWR puts me at 1203dps, which is ~35-40 higher then I had before this switch). I've had [Botanist's Gloves of Growth] on me for my healing gear for a bit without noticing that without T6-4pc, these seem to be one of the best DPS gloves until Sunwell from their haste, so I dual +12dmg gem'd them and am going to use them instead of my [Nordrassil Gauntlets] or [Enslaved Doomguard Soulgrips]...

I did lose almost 40 spirit with this itemization though, I'll have to see how that impacts things.

http://elitistjerks.com/764526-post51.html

Whether or not they will actually ban you for it is one thing. Unless I am misinterpreting "One hardware function = one action, according to standard macro rules. A hardware function is a keypress (including press/release)" this program IS against ToS

I used the Laginfo mod while I had AHK and had 10-20ms. When I discovered that AHK was illegal I bound MF and SF to mouse wheel, Laginfo says im still usually at 10-20ms.

Yes, if anyone asks I've stopped using AHK. Instead, I spent a ridiculous amount of money on a hardware jog wheel, and then bound it Starfire/Wrath and just spin it a lot. This accomplishes EXACTLY the same thing as AHK while remaining within the TOS right? All I "did" was spend money to apply a hardware solution to a problem with an equally valid software solution.

I can understand Blizzard doesn't want us to bind 15 different abilities and spam them continually, overwhelming the servers. But allowing a few essential spells to break free of human spam times isn't what Blizzard needs to spend it's time worrying about preventing.

AHK isn't performance enhancement drugs. It's a batting glove.

Appears like all I had to do is substitute another starfire the for the wrath, going MF SFx5

Doh :P

On a side note, has anyone played around with wearing 4 piece T5 and 4 piece T6 at the same time?

I'm only missing T6 boots then I'd be able to do it, kinda curious about how well the two set bonuses work out and if they compensate the loss of stats.

Was thinking I'd raid with that until I had 3 or more pieces from sunwell to wear over the T5.

Base rotations don't consider DoT clipping, custom rotations do. You want the DoT ratios to be > 1.00 to avoid clipping (on average).

Not sure what blue post you are refering to, but lets STOP spreading the belief that AHK is allowed, because here is a blue post stating it is NOT allowed. You are risking thousands of hours work on your characters should you get banned.

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it works pretty well. highest parse i had was a little over 2100 dps on brutallus with ~41% crit rate. I'll probably start picking up the cloth soon but i think my decision to hold off on that gear definitely helped our progression a bit as it geared out our other casters that much faster.

p.s. the second half of sunwell has been one of the most annoying experiences raiding for me. push back in pve is really stupid :\

I've posted here about it before, but I thought I'd bring it up again. I also saw Traek ask the same thing in post #1492 here.

Starfire spam versus Moonfire + few Starfires rotation as a function of spell haste rating. Logically, it seems that at higher values of spell damage and spell haste, it's better to spam Starfire without the Moonfire DoT. I've looked at Adoriele's spreadsheet for my range of gear (4p tier 6, 1500+ spell dmg buffed). Over about 200 spell haste, Starfire Spam was giving higher DPS than a rotation of Moonfire and Starfire. I have 180ish spell haste at the moment + drums of battle. If there are more people in my group with drums and an occasional heroism, I will be at over 200 spell haste on average. It seems worth it to only use Starfire in that case, not to mention it is more mana efficient.

Taking for example my own numbers from a WWS report, I did some 'napkin' number crunching. For 10 rotations of Moonfire + 7 Stafires (6 is too few with full Drum rotation going including 34% crit rate for SF--let's assume it's consistent for every rotation so... say at least 2 SF crits for each MF duration) versus pure Starfire spam for the same duration, the Starfire spam gives a bit more damage done (that's at 254 spell haste, 2871 avg Starfire, 679 avg. Moonfire with 5x439 avg ticks). Obviously, it's all approximate, since crits are unreliable in practice for short fights.

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On a related note, I was trying out the Ashtongue trinket on Dr. Boom today again (25% chance on starfire cast to give 150 spell damage for 8 seconds, no internal cooldown). The more spell haste I have, the more Starfires I cast, and the more the trinket procs. Seems like a worthy trinket for high haste to pair with something like Skull of Gul'dan (wtb).

Your avg Starfire was 3334 and your average Wrath was 1692 (this includes "stealing" some SS charges from your Ele Shammy, upping your own DPS at the expense of the raids.) Until Wrath benefits from NG, at any reasonable crit rate your Starfire will be more DPS than your Wrath.

I don't get this. If you've got 1500+ spell damage, your gear is pretty similar to mine. I'm seeing average moonfire hits over 800 and ticks over 500. If I've got 5 ticks of the dot, that's over 3300 damage from a single cast. Even if you assume that your haste gear affects starfire and not moonfire (so 1.5 seconds to cast moonfire), that's over 2200 dps from your moonfire cast. Unless you're seeing more than 2200 dps just from starfires (unlikely at ~1500 +dmg), I don't get how removing moonfire increases your dps.

Rose, I'm putting in your stats raid-buffed (1397 damage, 452 effective crit rating, 143 hit, 174 haste), and I'm getting 1390 DPS for Starfire spam pre-trinkets and procs, and 1420 for a MF, SFx5+ rotation including iFF. What stats are you putting in so I can double-check?

Also, what are peoples' thoughts on adding the loss from iFF to the starfire/wrath spam listings, tied to your choice for the custom rotation? I've tried to keep them as pure of a rotation as possible, but it may not be as useful that way.

Adoriele, In the set shown on my armory, my raid buffed stats are 1507 arcane damage without Wrath of Air (not sure why you used 1397), and I'm using 34% crit for MF and SF, and 254 spell haste rating (174 + 80 assuming full drum rotation for everyone in the group). Now, I don't normally get full drum rotation since not all casters are leatherworkers, but it's just theorycrafting. Might as well be heroism + 2-3 drums or something like that. The point was to see the effect of haste on the need for a rotation.

Now that I'm more awake, I did the calculations over again and see a small positive difference now by adding Moonfire. There is a sizable error to the estimates, though, as all they are are idealized with simple assumptions. I'm getting 1540ish DPS for both though on your spreadsheet. So not entirely convinced yet that Moonfire is good when my spell haste goes over 174 if everything else stays the same, considering the amount of mana conservation as well.

(Melador, 2.7k is not on Boss fights where Misery and CoS are up all the time. It was something I took from the only WWS report I still have (from Hyjal instance), where there are a lot of trash waves and not necessarily debuffs on each. It's averaged numbers for that whole instance. For Rage, The average SF was 2907 and average MF was 737 + 454 ticks. Doesn't make a huge difference for these approximate calculations.)

I imported you into Rawr to get your stats, which showed as your crit at just over 20% out-of-form, and the talent-specific additions are taken care of behind the scenes, so 34% would be quite a bit higher than your actual rate if you'd put it into the sheet (It would put your SF crit rate at 43%, and your MF at 44%). It also showed your spell damage at 1397, which is probably because I forgot to add consumables >.< In any case, with 1507, 452 (20.47%), 143, 254, I show 1532 spam and 1552 rotation. Not a huge difference, but the sort I would tend to pay attention to if making a gear choice. Though it does come before trinkets and procs, which would tend to favor Spam. And yes, mana-wise, Spam would be much easier to keep up.

Those stats were the buffed stats in form, not what I put into your spreadsheet But yeah, your result shows basically what I see. I'm just unclear at the moment with the multitude of directions I can take with gear upgrades, trinkets, spell rotations, etc. Playing around