Yukikaze: One thing you might want to compare is the 4pT5 + 4pT6 vs. our actual best in slot in sunwell. The best pieces are clearly the Leggings of Calamity , Robes of Ghostly Hatred over the leather equivalents (If only we could wear mail too!). Not just for base stats, but the socket colors are amazing as well. Having the Skull also makes it a lot easier for you to max your hit without gemming for it in the offset pieces ( I personally may have to make a push for the Season 4 weapon as opposed to RoM if I want to be geared properly). EDIT: The ZA cloak or the Shroud of the Highbourne are both better than the ogre-magi one as well.
I'd also run 15 spirit on your chest, especially considering your raid has IDS, you see the same damage but a bit more mana out of it. Another question: what about drums/blood lusts? Do you get switched out for lusts or no drums in your group? EDIT: Are you positive you get COS: 13%? Your raid brings an affliction lock? I imagine if it was your fourth or fifth lock, and you carried 2 or 3 spriests at all times, it'd be huge. Just not a common spec at that level of raiding.
Really I can't see the double four piece being worth it, if only due to timing. You clearly aren't going to interrupt a starfire to reapply a moonfire, and IS is such a huge DPS drop as to not be worth it barring necessity for tank avoidance. An additional benefit of the offset pieces is the larger amount of haste will lower the DPS hit from applying IFF (thought not everyone runs this rotation), something no other stat actually affects.
I do agree on one thing: Comparing it to gear that you get from M'uru and KJ is probably a bit silly, as what we're really looking for is the best dps to get those bosses down, not what we can do afterwards.
Thanks for the gear suggestions, I'll plug them in and check it out.
I left out heroism/drums because it depends on how many shamans we have that night whether we have 1, 2, or even 3 heroisms, same with drums depending on LWs in the group. Don't always get 13 CoS though.
The thing about the moonfire timing, currently with double 4pc I'm rolling in 182 haste already, and my last starfire usually hits right about when my moonfire tick ends, sometimes right before and sometimes right after, but the amount of overlap (currently) is minimal at best. I imagine higher haste will exacerbate this, but I'd have to check it out in the field.
<Might> does bring me for IFF, so right now my rotations are usually IFF (MF, SFx5/6)x2, but I do use IS on brutallus, offset a bit by massive stacking of lw/heroisms/destro pots.
Seems like you get a shadow priest as well, so being able to use destro pots is a major advantage. No having to farm demonic runes for you
I really like the interaction of haste with IFF, and even innervate. I definitely notice when the heroisms start rolling in keeping moonfire exact is nearly impossible. If you are a drummer, try and get to be the first one in the rotation. It really helps me be able to time it with my dots on our three man rotation, and not let the cooldown interfere with dot uptime. Plus at the beginning the tank can get that 1.5 second threat lead, and it has less of an impact on your initial dps.
Just thought I'd throw this out there: I'm in a sort of unusual gear situation, but possibly not all that uncommon. My guild is clearing BT regularly & working on Felmyst in SWP but has largely stopped doing Hyjal. Looking at the specific gear available to me, esp. since it seems I'll be stuck with my T5 helm for the foreseeable future, the numbers I'm getting for 4 pc. T5 + 2 pc. T6 are quite competitive with 4 pc. T6--there's some back and forth depending on exactly which upgrades drop next.
Just thought I'd throw out there for others who may be in a similar situation that 4 pc. T5 + 2 pc. T6 is worth investigating. And while I don't have 4 pc. T5 yet, I'm only one piece away--chest hopefully--and I've found the instances are quite puggable on my server, as there are 3 Horde-side guilds which are clearing MH/BT and don't do T5 content anymore. In addition, there are several smaller guilds which are limited to Kara, ZA, and co-op Gruul/Mags; these are a great source of skilled & badge geared players quite capable of contributing in TK & SSC.
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Just thought I'd throw this out there: I'm in a sort of unusual gear situation, but possibly not all that uncommon. My guild is clearing BT regularly & working on Felmyst in SWP but has largely stopped doing Hyjal. Looking at the specific gear available to me, esp. since it seems I'll be stuck with my T5 helm for the foreseeable future, the numbers I'm getting for 4 pc. T5 + 2 pc. T6 are quite competitive with 4 pc. T6--there's some back and forth depending on exactly which upgrades drop next.
If you had a Cowl of the Illidari High Lord drop would the switch to any T6/off pieces you might have be better than the 4 pc. T5? I'm making the assumption that you're only using the T5 helm as it's the best piece you have with a meta slot. Or do you not have 4 piece T6 at all yet without the helm? ( I can't check your armory at work).
With such a talented horde raiding scene, maybe you could get on an Archi run if they have a surplus of T6 vanq?
It's nice that you can get those pugged though; I'm in the opposite situation where 4 piece T5 is just not going to be available, and have to maximize what T6/sunwell pieces can do.
Erragal, I plugged in those cloth pieces, well, all of the cloth pieces from sunwell, and I came out that all other equipment being equal, Sunwellcloth/T6 was superior to T5/T6 by ~110dps + or - a few depending on other gear slots, buuuut, at the same time the breakpoint where it appears that sunwell is worth using to break T5 4pc is 3pc sunwell cloth, so either way it appears that both are basically even as far as usefulness when hitting Kil'Jaedan, as 3pc basically needs M'uru down I think. Unless I missed something again. Thanks for the suggestions.
If you had a Cowl of the Illidari High Lord drop would the switch to any T6/off pieces you might have be better than the 4 pc. T5? I'm making the assumption that you're only using the T5 helm as it's the best piece you have with a meta slot. Or do you not have 4 piece T6 at all yet without the helm? ( I can't check your armory at work).
The guild has been downing Illidan for months--since January, I believe. And while I just resumed raiding with them only just recently, I know this: they've completed a Warglaives set and had an additonal MH glaive drop, but have yet to see a single Cowl. So my possible up- and side-grades are: T6 legs (next time they drop--my 4th piece), T6 bracers (next time they drop, probably), T6 belt (soonish, probably), T5 chest (Sunday, or soonish--my 4th piece), Kalec leggings. Fortunately, already got SWP trash gloves and did nab T6 gloves as well.
As I said, there's a great deal of back-and-forth between the two set options depending on the exact order these items might fall in, but some of the possibilities suggest T5x4 + T6x2 as superior.
Assuming I can pick up the T6 belt and bracers before either a helm or a Cowl, I'm looking at T5 chest, helm, pants, shoulders + SWP trash gloves + 2xT6 (belt/bracer) as my best option... I think.
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Hey I'm appling for a guild on my server who are currently on M'uru, problem is, their are abit shaky on balance druids and say that they need each dps to do around 2k dps on M'uru second phase. If I could get all possible upgrades upto M'uru, would I be able to reach that dps figure, if so what type of stats would i be looking at to reach that dps figure and thus convince the guild to accept me? A reply would be greatly appreciated as they are discussing about my application now and a reply asap would be great, thank you.
Just one note: The leather shoulders are actually better than the cloth ones as far as Sunwell pieces. The mail ones are better than both. Also, were you testing with the Cowl as your helmet (Being that it's the best helmet you can get up through KJ) ? The difference between the T6 gloves and the sunwell leather gloves is minimal if you need the hit (And it has to come from somewhere). Would cowl + Brut leggings + leather shoulders from twins be enough to equal or surpass the T5 bonus? Just a quick toss through the spreadsheet has the two nearly equal to each other.
Certainly if you were a tailor and got the patterns, you'd be even better off. (Too bad there aren't any leather ones...maybe WOTLK)
@Efejel - We use DKP so I've ignored those pants every time they drop. They're just not worth it; the cloth badge pants are much better as long as I'm hit capped, and the Kaz'Rogal ones are significantly better period. The Kalec leggings are a decent upgrade, but they're just so much worse than the Leggings of Calamity. The back and forth is definitely frustrating, as when you have the 4pc.T5 you have to just hold onto gear you're not even using till later. They really just made that set bonus too strong for its' tier...but then gave us crit instead of the flat 5%/6% bonuses the other nukers got. Just so many weird itemization decisions.
Hey I'm appling for a guild on my server who are currently on M'uru, problem is, their are abit shaky on balance druids and say that they need each dps to do around 2k dps on M'uru second phase. If I could get all possible upgrades upto M'uru, would I be able to reach that dps figure, if so what type of stats would i be looking at to reach that dps figure and thus convince the guild to accept me? A reply would be greatly appreciated as they are discussing about my application now and a reply asap would be great, thank you.
2K DPS parses for balance druids on Brut do exist. But it's hard to say if you can pull 2k DPS yourself. (Which is to say, it's unlikely.) However, remind them that 5% crit for 4 casters and 3% hit for Rogues, Enh Sham, Hunters who plan on your presence & Fury Warriors can add a significant chunk to total raid DPS.
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Hey I'm appling for a guild on my server who are currently on M'uru, problem is, their are abit shaky on balance druids and say that they need each dps to do around 2k dps on M'uru second phase. If I could get all possible upgrades upto M'uru, would I be able to reach that dps figure, if so what type of stats would i be looking at to reach that dps figure and thus convince the guild to accept me? A reply would be greatly appreciated as they are discussing about my application now and a reply asap would be great, thank you.
Well my gear is far from perfect, but i can do ~2k dps,got theese upgrades this week, so will see next week. and i have items up from 1st 4 bosses in SW only The World of Warcraft Armory
Well, dps wise I've reached 1600 on Illidan and 1800 on Akama at one time, normally around 1700, so with the upgrades and the golden 1392 spell differnce rule, 2k dps doesn't seem a huge figure to aim for, since I still have some sub-par gear, but thanks for your answers, I do appreciate them.
Well, dps wise I've reached 1600 on Illidan and 1800 on Akama at one time, normally around 1700, so with the upgrades and the golden 1392 spell differnce rule, 2k dps doesn't seem a huge figure to aim for, since I still have some sub-par gear, but thanks for your answers, I do appreciate them.
Akama really shouldn't be used as a DPS benchmark, he takes increased damage as the fight goes on. Terron Gorefiend is generally accepted as the best fight to test yourself by pre-Sunwell, so long as you don't get ghosted.
Idols -- except for the Idol of the Unseen Moon -- are included, they're on the Character Sheet & Buffs (CS&B) page, as they were implemented before the gear select page. "Both" refers macro'ing the Wrath & Starfire idols to those spells (which will no longer be possible in 2.4.2).
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I realize many have probably brought this up, but I have sort of been frustrated lately by the fact that all the dps spreadsheets I can find will NOT work on a Mac OS system. I realize i will be mocked for using a mac in the first place, but hey, it's what I brought awile back and I don't have free money floating around to randomly buy a PC for a spreadsheet.
Is there anyway that I can use this on a mac (It just doesn't work with Excel....), or do you know of something that does (I CAN'T get Rawr to work, for some reason, ugh!). Thanks Efejel!
Though, it appears to be 404 (at least, with my connection the page isn't loading) :-/
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Though, it appears to be 404 (at least, with my connection the page isn't loading) :-/
Woot, got it to work on my desktop.... Quick question. I am sure I am just missing something here, but I don't see Cowl of the Gran Engineer (which is cloth, unfortunately), or the Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone.... Am I just missing something somewhere? Thanks!
It's listed as "Collar of the Grand Engineer". Similarly, the Cowl of the Illidari High Lord is listed as "Crown of the Illidari High Lord" instead. There may be a few more naming and spelling mistakes here and there.
I have ADHD... I just get to the first letter of a word and guess for the rest. >.> Or, slight errors exist (mostly on items I've never had/had a chance at) that weren't brought to my attention in the past! I've made a mental note of it, I'll do my best to correct these if/when I push a new release.
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The spreadsheet probably won't work with Excel 2008 (Mac) since they removed scripting in some form (don't have it to check), but it should work for versions before that.
Just one note: The leather shoulders are actually better than the cloth ones as far as Sunwell pieces. The mail ones are better than both. Also, were you testing with the Cowl as your helmet (Being that it's the best helmet you can get up through KJ) ? The difference between the T6 gloves and the sunwell leather gloves is minimal if you need the hit (And it has to come from somewhere). Would cowl + Brut leggings + leather shoulders from twins be enough to equal or surpass the T5 bonus? Just a quick toss through the spreadsheet has the two nearly equal to each other.
Certainly if you were a tailor and got the patterns, you'd be even better off. (Too bad there aren't any leather ones...maybe WOTLK)
I've been getting better numbers of the Amice of the Convoker over the Spaulders of Devestation, so I was popping them in over the leather. Tested with Thunderheart helm + Tranquil Moonlight as a halfway point to keep 4pc T6, Amice, and Calamity Leggings, and came out to about even with double 4pc, and then after that, replacement with Dark Conjuror's Cowl, sunfire robes, and replaced the tranquil moonlight gloves with T6 again to keep 4pc bonus again at the end.
So end set was Dark Conjuror's Cowl, Amice of the Convoker, Sunfire Robes, Leggings of Calamity, and 4pc T6, or so.
07/11/08, 12:06 PM
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