Definitely would like to know this.


I still think a lot of the problems with the sunwell gear is the poor itemization on the leather. You could see much better results with the crit/haste combo cloth legs and shoulders. You'd be getting 32 more haste and 6 more spell crit rating, and only losing a little bit of spirit (You have an spriest, and don't mention IDS, so it's negligible for you anyway.)

My other curiosity is where you're getting all of this extra hit rating. If there's anyway you can drop your hit for more spell damage in either set you'd be doing significantly more dps. I know in my gear plan for sunwell (I have no way of getting 4pT5), I'm strapped for hit, and will end up filling yellows that make socket bonuses with Hit/Dmg gems. I wish I could check your armory from work, to get an idea of what weapon/offhand/jewelry you're using as well.

It's curious because my unbuffed spell damage is only a little below the non-T5 gear set, with significantly less haste of course. I'll be gaining significant amounts of spell damage with upgrades, as well. Just wish the duration on the ashtongue trinket was 10 seconds instead of 8, it would be so much easier to leverage it into massive damage.

EDIT: And you're already pulling significant numbers with the Ashtongue trinket. The problem with that is it could also give you really poor numbers if you're unlucky. I wish I could check your WWS to see how often it fell off. It's particularly strong if you're getting multiple blood lusts, as well. I definitely feel I'll be switching to it once i get my haste up a little bit, as it'll prove stronger than my blessings deck. I may give it a try on teron next week just to see if it can be consisten enough now.

Very impressive for sure. No doubt about the power of 4PT5.

I don't buy that it's impossible for you to get 4p T5, unless your guild raids 7 nights a week or something. The new badge gear has lowered the entry barrier for T5 level content to the extent that it's as puggable as Mag/Gruul, esp. on servers with multiple guilds in T6 content as this provides a large player base with T5 knowledge, or need of Kael/Vashj kills for vials. In the cases of players with alts, you can get both!

Kael will require a relatively tight group--bring lots of AOE, make sure you have tanks for everything in P2, and I strongly recommend only bringing 6 healers.

Vashj simply requires sufficient ranged (about 7-9 good ranged DPS, 8 melee/ranged, 6-7 healers, 3 tanks) and a very clear explanation of what to do for everyone involved, especially why -not- to panic in Phase 2.

I'd say it's more of a personal time issue, as opposed to downing the bosses, that's the barrier for myself (And perhaps many people). My guild downed Kael/Vashj before I joined (I'm an attunement cheater I suppose!) and certainly there are plenty of guilds doing it. Not impossible, I agree, I just focus more on the gear I know I'll see as opposed to gear I won't. Particularly since I'm 0/5 T5, and not even some of the way there.

I had to spec feral and run weekend SSC/TK pugs to get my 5/5 T5, but it was well worth it i guess.

The benefits of having T6 sets of balance, feral, and resto! lol

Zorac---your moonkin wasn't casting enough. 58 SF hits in a 6 min fight is way too few. Of course, there could be lots of causes for this. Maybe he was OOM (I see that he had to mana pot twice and innervate, no destro pots). He healed himself once---even that is a dps hit in a fight like this. More disappointing is that he only used his trinket twice, while your 3 locks all used it 3 times.

Ok, I'm afraid im having a bit of trouble with the spreadsheet, and im not sure why. I've been playing with moonkin just recently, its not my main spec, and i dont have much decent gear. I have 1200 unbuffed damage, with 80 spell haste. I enter my gear in the spreadsheet, it tells me i should be able to do around 1400 dps. So far so good. Thats close to what i got on Gorefiend last night. The part i dont understand is when i start telling it i have more +haste gems or gear. The more haste i say i have the lower it says my dps should be, even when the +damage stays the same. I replace 1 + 12 damage gem with a + 10 haste, and i loose 6 dps. Or i tell it i have 200 haste instead of 80 and i loose 70 dps. I'm not sure where im going wrong. Anyone help?

Alright, I put an epic gem in my t5 pants and I'll try out running T5 head/shoulders/chest/legs next reset.

A question. How is yours dps on Kj? We are trying him for 3rd night, and my dps seems to be pathetic due to all starfire pushbacks out there, i got a shaman earth shielding me, but its still a lot of pushback out there. I was thinking of picking Celestial Focus and wrathing, but i guess the result will be about the same. Any ideas about it?

So I am currently raiding in SWP with 4pc T6 (belt/boots/chest/bracers) and 4pc T5(shoulders/legs/helm....and yes, the crappy gloves).

Last night I hit 1835 dps on Brutallus with 1 heroicism, and me and another user both using Drums of War +1 destro pot, I also received one burn.

My numbers were somewhat deflated b/c I hit 27% starfire crits (and I should really be hitting around 31-32% if not higher). I think in my current gear I could get closer to 1900 if I didn't receive any burns and at least broke even on my starfire crit %.


*There are still plenty of areas my gear could use upgrading (weapon esp, neck, rings, trinkets). The weapon is the most pertinent one atm.
*I am currently trying to get the t5 chest and t6 gloves to up my damage. (should increase dps by ~40 and improve +hit by 1%)
*Atm I never go spell hit capped if I'm with an elemental shammy

I think the most depressing thing about the brutallus run was that I was 13th! on the damage meter despite ~1850 dps. I am guessing the only way I'll break the top 10 is if I break 2000.

The World of Warcraft Armory

I'll admit I'm a little jealous that there is a boomkin w/ 2051 dps out there.

I'm curious, what if let's say you don't get a shadowpriest. Would spell dmg and crit / pure 12 spell dmg better then? for Moonkin? I have 260 spell haste currently, and I can tell if I don't get spriest I'm gonna run oom sooner or later... :-/

All of the calculations for spell damage, haste, crit, hit, etc. assume you have no mana issues. If you do, mana regen trumps everything. It does not, however, change their relationship substantially. Yes, there is the possibility that gemming a 12 damage gem means you don't go OOM while a haste/damage gem means you do, but that's such a narrow line to ride that I'd suggest you still need to work out your mana issues.

Go to this post (the link takes you to a specific post on pg 66, but the text makes me look like I'm being a smartass--I'm not!): http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11582-d...66/#post796650

Make sure you're signed in, and you should be able to directly download from EJ. If I ever get MS Office working again an update may follow which will also be added to EJ after it's been up on FileFront for a day or two.

Thanks Ef
few more questions, it says that my optimal cycle will be MFX2, SFX9 - What does that mean? That I should cast 2 MF and than 9 SF and over again?
And doesn't that cycle take into account the debuff from IS for example? Or the buff from the MF idol (Idol of the Unseen Moon - Item - World of Warcraft)
And another thing, I've read somewhere (on u'r post) that idol swapping macros are no longer useful, which I've noticed myself, but I'm not sure why?
EDIT: And would u recommend using FF if there are no ferals on the raid?

2MF 9SF means refresh MF whenever it is down, but without clipping. It is saying that your haste/crit usually means either 4 or 5 SF's between MF refreshes (This is answered in FAQ on first post).

Ef's spreadsheet doesn't value the IS debuff. One way to value it would be as 2% of the direct damage that your tank takes (or think of it as 2% of your MT healing load). If your raid needs three, full-time healers on the MT, IS alone is worth 6% of a raid member. Whether this analysis is valid depend on lots of "stuff."

I don't think Ef includes Unseen Moon. If you have four or more SF for each MF, the SF idol (Moongoddess) will be better. The Raven Goddess may be better than both, depending on how crit-happy your party is.

Idol-swapping is pretty much killed because it
- Appears to have a 1.5s cooldown, even if you have haste.
- Will cancel a cast in progress, so you can no longer equip Moongoddess while SF cast is in progress.

If Boss has 8000 armor (possible, may be less) and your physical damage people have no armor penetration, FF is about a 3.3% boost to their direct damage. That number goes up as the boss's armor-penetration goes down. FF costs you about 3.8% of your DPS (1.5s/40s). Unless your DPS is about as high as all of your raid's physical dps, combined, you should make sure FF is on the boss.

OK, thank you.
Sorry if I'm being noobish, but haven't quite gotten the use of the spreadsheet yet...
I'm trying to decide on a weapon, where my choices are Scryer's Blade of Focus - Item - World of Warcraft, Hammer of Judgement - Item - World of Warcraft, Wub's Cursed Hexblade - Item - World of Warcraft, Amani Punisher - Item - World of Warcraft, Amani Divining Staff - Item - World of Warcraft, or Nathrezim Mindblade - Item - World of Warcraft. My only off-hand atm is Talisman of Nightbane - Item - World of Warcraft.
Assuming I'm hit capped, which would u recommend? And if it'd be the two-hander, how would u gem it?
I would guess (and it's supported by my fibble attempts with the spreadsheet) that the order would be Blade of Focus -> Hammer of Judgement -> (and that's when the spreadsheet disagrees with me) Divining Staff -> HexBlade -> Amani Punisher -> Mindblade.
The order that the spreadsheet thinks it should be is Blade of Focus -> Hammer of Judgement -> HexBlade -> Amani Punisher -> Divining Staff -> Mindblade.
What do you think?

A lot of it's going to depend on how you gem the staff. Looking at your armory, you're right near the edge of when you want to start gemming haste (and probably pass it when raiding), so you're going to want at least a Runed and a Reckless in there, and since you have no Meta you should slot the blue with one of those as well. You may also get away with all Reckless. Speaking of, get yourself a helm with a Meta slot, CSD is an incredible gem. You're also going to want to regem pretty much all of your gear, as you're wasting quite a lot by what seems like haphazard gemming. Gem Veiled in all red or yellow slots until you're capped, then either Runed or Reckless (or a mix of both) in the rest, keeping two blue slots for Glowings to activate the Meta.

You may also want to look into RAWR, it can give you a lot of insight with its optimizer.

OK, reading your comments here makes me think I'm way off on enchants, gear and gem selection...
What should be my priorities?
The way I do it now, is Speel Damage -> Crit (after I'm hit capped of course), with a side of Int and Stam where possible. That's why I gemmed the way I did, and that's why I don't have any haste rating, nor the Fetish of the Primal Gods. You're now saying I should change direction, abandon Crit and go for Haste instead? And what would you recommend for a Meta helm? And what would be an optimal +dmg/Crit/Haste rating for my level (Late SSC/TK)?
And what about trinkets? I have pretty much all relevant trinkets I think (other than the ZA one), which are the best do u think?

Rawr will answer your trinket question for your specific gearing, but you're likely going to want [Icon of the Silver Crescent] as one of them, and probably [Quagmirran's Eye], maybe a [Variable Pulse Lightning Capacitor]. For a stat preference, it's Hit -> Spell damage -> Haste, with Haste and Damage being equal after 1400 damage buffed. Crit is, in most cases, about half as good as either. For a Meta helm, [Antlers of Malorne] is actually pretty decent (it's better than the [Mask of Primal Power] when you include the Meta), [Nordrassil Headpiece] if you can get it.

Edit: To go along with Erragal, the Fetish is where I'll be dropping my next set of badges. It's just plain better than anything pre-[Chronicle of Dark Secrets], and can probably give it a money run depending on gearing because of the Haste and the lack of Hit.

/bow
/thank

Based on my calculations with the DPS spreadsheet, I am seeing that [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] as being a big increaser of DPS when used in high Starfire spell rotation. If you have a good ZA team then shoot for Hex Lord and grab the [Hex Shrunken Head].



If you don't need the haste [Blind-Seers Icon] is a good choice for an off hand and has a much higher drop rate. But as you mentioned [Chronicle of Dark Secrets] is by far a better choice once the line shortens for your chance to get it...yes Locks and Mages usually jump to the front.

The spread sheet is missing the Cowl of the Illiari High Lord as well as the helm off Kil'jaeden. First thing I noticed, not sure why all the items are not in the database. I do ont have a full version of MS Office atm so I cant add it myself, looks like i need office

It's there, only under "Crown of the ...". There are a few small mistakes like that that have been listed already i think.