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Old 08/14/08, 4:48 PM   #1826
erragal
Don Flamenco
 
Troll Priest
 
Wildhammer
Originally Posted by Adoriele View Post
Okidoke, so BB's not a good sense of whether she's threat-capped and RoS is bad for checking how much casting time she's using because I'm not sure how long the separation between phases is, so I'll use Teron, which should be a decent benchmark for DPS unless she gets ghosted, which she didn't. Adding up her cast time, again ignoring haste, she's casting for 169.5 seconds out of 232, or 73% of the time, idling for 62.5s over 71 casts. She would need to have 880ms ping in order to write it off as latency (it's not). If she were using the casting improvements from 2.3 correctly to minimize her ping and doing everything possible to chain-cast (which is what she should be doing), she'd have closer to 340k damage / 1450 DPS, putting her up near the top 5. So, in short, she's not casting enough.
My only addition would be that Teron does have some pushback, significantly more if ghosts get to the raid. A quick inspection of how many shadow/physical hits she took could be used to factor that in as well, but it shouldn't be enough to only be casting 73% of the time.


EDIT: I can watch TV on Teron and have better splits than that. I have a strong feeling she doesn't use Quartz (Which is doubly nice because of it's convenient decimal dot timers, and is much nicer looking than the default UI castbar)

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Old 08/14/08, 4:50 PM   #1827
Kathbrian
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Proudmoore
She was hit 13 times, so that adds what? Maybe 8 seconds if she only got hit while casting SF.

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Old 08/14/08, 4:50 PM   #1828
Alixa
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Chromaggus
Thanks a lot for all the help. i'll probably check back here periodically if i have more questions but i'll approach her about the rotation and see why she isn't chain casting.

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Old 08/14/08, 5:27 PM   #1829
Efejel
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Kathbrian View Post
She was hit 13 times, so that adds what? Maybe 8 seconds if she only got hit while casting SF.
13 hits could easily be 13 seconds of pushback. That still means there was 50 sec should could have been DPSing that she wasn't.

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Old 08/15/08, 3:32 PM   #1830
Oclanis
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Kult der Verdammten (EU)
i was told to delete this - from member here - sorry.

Last edited by Oclanis : 08/15/08 at 7:31 PM.

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Old 08/15/08, 4:28 PM   #1831
Efejel
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Oclanis View Post
kicking all pyrestones with haste/spelldamge out of her yellow slots and doing +10haste lionstones in it !
I'd hold off on that based on your 15.75% (248 raiting?) haste currently. That's a good place to be for ~1300 unbuffed (roughly 1600 buffed) +dmg.

new trinkets maybee ?
What are you using currently? Without a Hex-Shrunken or Skull of Gul'dan (since they're on your wish list) you're going to want (at your haste rating) Ashtongue Talisman + (in rough order for Brut-like fights) Darkmoon Card: Crusade, Sextant of Unstable Currents, Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone, Icon of the Silver Crescent or Timbal's Focusing Crystal.

Spelldamage: 1297 (+23 food +42 oil + 80 flask using normaly)
Spellhit : 115 + totem from Melee Schaman
Krit: 18.05% without moonkin aura !
Manareg 344
Spellhaste 15,75%

with no buffs ! no totems ! nothing ! pure
Stats seem appropriate for your progression, except damage is a bit low and haste is a bit high. Again, would be useful to know which trinkets you're running.

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Old 08/15/08, 4:31 PM   #1832
Spinoza
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Bronzebeard
Oclanis --

Can you provide a WWS report and an Armory link?

Force of Nature is generally a good PVE talent. My trees did 8,000 damage per cast on Brutallus last night, and it's an instant cast. I'm not sure if the trees will be useful for M'uru, because if there is a lot of AOE, they will die before they can do much damage. But there's no reason not to pick up the talent for fights where there is not much AOE.

Latency can have a big impact, but if your latency is only 250 or so, that's not that bad.

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Old 08/15/08, 10:55 PM   #1833
 Adoriele
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by nightie View Post
Look again, sorry that was old server. I was actually killed by someones construct near the end, and had some issues with pushback and constructs hitting me. Any advice would be great, thank you in advance
Well, the advice I gave earlier is still true no matter your gear. You're doing everything right, as far as I can tell, execution-wise (which I must say is actually kind of refreshing to see), which puts you as gear-capped instead of the normal skill-capped. Now that I can see your correct gear, there's a couple suggestions I can make. You have 3 blue gems, and you only need two to activate your meta. I'd grab either a lionseye or a spinel and put it in your pants socket. You have a crit gem, again, replace it. Your overall haste (59 if my math is right) is probably a little low for when you're fully buffed, so I'd favor Lionseyes over Spinels when replacing, and maybe resocketing a couple. Other than that, You could replace Timbal's with Crescent, everything else would just point towards your DPS going up any time you upgrade your gear.

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Old 08/16/08, 12:32 AM   #1834
nightie
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Earthen Ring
I have the haste off hand and the hast BT ring, if I use the belt of blasting then I can make up some of the hit up. I have the crescent, so I will put that on instead of Timbels. I also have the Sunwell gloves, but still need a sunmote to turn them into the boomkin gloves. I can get up to 121 haste but I lose some hit, but replacing the belt of blasting would make up some of it and I can gem for haste. Thanks again for the advice.

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Old 08/17/08, 11:20 PM   #1835
boomchicken
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Hyjal
Hello all,
I am kinda at a cross roads right now, I have looked at the spreadsheet and if I regem haste/damage gems, put on th badge haste cloak, and BT trash haste ring. I can get up to 102 haste with the spreadsheet showing a dps increase of about 28. For some reason I am thinking I need to wait till I get the skull off illidan to replace the haste ring with my hit badge ring and get another trash ring before I regem. We are currently starting to work on Kalecgos. Seems that people are asking for help so I hope this is ok.

Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

WWS:
Wow Web Stats
Wow Web Stats
This is the last two wws with gorefiend kill in it, since it seems to be the fight people are looking at.

Thank you for your help, it is much appreciated.

I also have the haste badge offhand, but we do not run with an elemental shaman. My group makeup is usually a SP, Mage, Mage/Lock, Lock.

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Old 08/18/08, 1:32 AM   #1836
Gravel
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
@ Boomchicken

Not sure what it is that you want help with, indeed you should try to replace all the crit/spelldmg gems with haste/spelldmg as you've already stated.

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Old 08/18/08, 1:44 AM   #1837
Rusk
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
<tlc>
Firetree
Brutallus > me

Hello all

I am looking for suggestions to crank out some more dps... I feel that I should be doing more because my gear is halfway decent. I am keeping up imp ff but I feel that I should still be doing more dps. My rotation is ff...mf... starfire until dot runs out, mf again... more starfire... ff ran out so recast that... then more starfire... and so forth.

Here is my armory page The World of Warcraft Armory

Here is recent WWS stats for our attempts WWS Loading...

I was way down there for most, especially on the longer attempts. I appreciate any ideas! Thanks

p.s. Not sure if haste shows on armory, so here's a recap: Unbuffed stats are

1248 spell damage
149 hit rating
17.91% crit
160 haste (10%)

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Old 08/18/08, 1:58 AM   #1838
boomchicken
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Hyjal
Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
Not sure what it is that you want help with, indeed you should try to replace all the crit/spelldmg gems with haste/spelldmg as you've already stated.

Well trying to decide if it worth it since we just starting swp, or wait till I get another trash ring and skull etc. From what I gathered you do not need to gem haste till brutallus. Which is why I am uncertain if I should wait or not. Plus I am looking to see what I need improvement on casting cycle or other ways to improve myself.

Last edited by boomchicken : 08/18/08 at 2:04 AM.

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Old 08/18/08, 3:27 AM   #1839
Fieryeel
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Thaurissan
I am feeling kind of low...I was just asking the people in my guild how would Timbal's fare as a trinket to me, and got insulted and mocked.

Thing is, without the Timbal's, I was always using MF + SF X 4.

With Timbal's, I would be doing MF + IS + SF X 4.

My spell damage is 1200(without trinkets equipped), crit rating is 22% in Moonkin form, and haste rating is 150. I am hit-capped.

Would Icon or Quag's or even TLC be better trinkets for me in that situation? I have Ashtongue prepared for tank-and-spank fights, and Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone for potentially mana-intensive encounters.

Also, for tank-and-spank fights, would Aldor SSC-exalted Neck be better than Guardian's Pendant of Subjugation(with Reckless Pyrestone)?

Last edited by Fieryeel : 08/18/08 at 3:39 AM.

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Old 08/18/08, 3:41 AM   #1840
Lambach
Don Flamenco
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Cenarion Circle
These are all questions that are answered by the spreadsheet. Please use it, it is more correct then we would be in answering our questions.

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Old 08/18/08, 5:58 AM   #1841
Zele
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Frostwolf
Error in buffed MP5 calculation?

I am a little puzzled why, when I unselect all buffs, my buffed mp5 was higher than my unbuffed MP5. I took a look at the formula and I think there might be an error...?

It looks like you are attempting to take the character's MP5, subtract the int and spirit related parts, then add that back using the buffed int and spirit. The part that subtracts, though, looks like it is using the old formula for MP5, while the part that adds back uses the new formula.

Existing:

=MAX(0,Char_Mp5-(FLOOR(((Char_Int*Dreamstate_Mod)+(((37.5*(Intensity*Int_Regen))+(Intensity*Char_Spi)/Int_Const))),1)))+(FLOOR(((Buffed_Int*Dreamstate_Mod)+((5*0.00932715221261*SQRT(Buffed_Int)*Buffed_Spi)*Int_Regen*Intensity)),1))+Buff_mp5
I think it should be:

=MAX(0,Char_Mp5-(FLOOR(((Char_Int*Dreamstate_Mod)+((5*0.00932715221261*SQRT(Char_Int)*Char_Spi)*Int_Regen*Intensity)),1)))+(FLOOR(((Buffed_Int*Dreamstate_Mod)+((5*0.00932715221261*SQRT(Buffed_Int)*Buffed_Spi)*Int_Regen*Intensity)),1))+Buff_mp5
Am I wrong?

Thanks, BTW for the great work.

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Old 08/19/08, 3:28 PM   #1842
Gravel
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
Hello all

I am looking for suggestions to crank out some more dps... I feel that I should be doing more because my gear is halfway decent. I am keeping up imp ff but I feel that I should still be doing more dps. My rotation is ff...mf... starfire until dot runs out, mf again... more starfire... ff ran out so recast that... then more starfire... and so forth.

Here is my armory page The World of Warcraft Armory

Here is recent WWS stats for our attempts WWS Loading...

I was way down there for most, especially on the longer attempts. I appreciate any ideas! Thanks

p.s. Not sure if haste shows on armory, so here's a recap: Unbuffed stats are

1248 spell damage
149 hit rating
17.91% crit
160 haste (10%)
Well I haven't looked closely at your WWS, but I would definitley change the meta gem to Chaotic Skyfire Diamond and perhaps even the idol to the starfire one.

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Old 08/20/08, 3:31 AM   #1843
psychi
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Chromaggus (EU)
Oops. posted twice, see below.

Last edited by psychi : 08/20/08 at 3:41 AM.

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Old 08/20/08, 3:37 AM   #1844
psychi
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Chromaggus (EU)
Hi all.

I've been planning to do some gear changing due to my current the lack of hit rating. While changing couple items and gems I noticed that after 220ish haste the spreadsheet suggested that gemming crit instead of haste would actually be more beneficial. Changing a single haste+dmg gem to crit+dmg gave nearly 2 dps increase. (however changing another only gave 0.4 more dps). Is this a some sort of bug or is there actually some theoretical point where crit rating starts to be more beneficial than haste?

On my current gear I have (unbuffed)
1251 spell dmg
136 hit
202 haste
20%ish crit while in caster form
(4pc t6 and Ashtongue trinket)

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Old 08/20/08, 5:40 AM   #1845
Efejel
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dragonblight
Check to make sure your cast time vs. DOT duration isn't slipping below 1.00 (though this would usually be a DPS shift of way more than 2). Also, make sure the results are duplicated in 0.81alpha if it's not what you're referring to already. The haste calculations were improved for that version (I think).

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Old 08/20/08, 6:10 AM   #1846
psychi
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Chromaggus (EU)
I was referring to 0.80c, didn't notice the was newer version available.
Moonfire DoT : Rotation Cast Time 1.14 (1.12 on 0.80c)

Ok. On 0.81alpha the same gemming resulted into 0.4 dps decrease.


On the sidenote 10 haste gem scores exactly as high as 12 spell crit (JC only).

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Old 08/22/08, 4:22 PM   #1847
Moonkin Kai
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Khadgar (EU)
Okay, atm I have 206 spell haste and I can get constant drums so say 286 in raid situation, would it be worth gemming pure spelldamage from now on, or spell damage +crit for the added crit damage and NG proc? Or should i continue to keep gemming the usual +haste + damage gems?

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Old 08/23/08, 3:22 AM   #1848
Gravel
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Moonkin Kai View Post
Okay, atm I have 206 spell haste and I can get constant drums so say 286 in raid situation, would it be worth gemming pure spelldamage from now on, or spell damage +crit for the added crit damage and NG proc? Or should i continue to keep gemming the usual +haste + damage gems?
My name isn't spreadsheet but I reckon 12 spelldamage gems for a while.

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Old 08/24/08, 9:32 PM   #1849
Soultrigger
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Warsong
I was accepted this week in the top guild for my server (after 2 months without playing wow), they are working on Muru. Probably they will allow me to do only the initial bosses from SWP. I know my gear lacks a lot comparing to theirs, but I don´t want to let they with a bad impression about moonkins, since it will be their first test of moonkins.

So the question I have is: is there any way to improve the way I play (WWS Loading... - the only WWS I got from my last guild :/) or my gems/enchants/gear that I can easyly change?

PS: Consider only the Teron tries, I did not dps on the Gurtogg attempts, we were just learning how to move and heal the boss for that WWS.

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Old 08/25/08, 12:17 AM   #1850
Kathbrian
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Proudmoore
Everything looks in order other than you being slightly short of the hit cap.

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