[Balance] Simple Questions + WoL Feedback - Page 4

pannz · 09/09/11, 2:03 AM

I've a question that I have not found the answer anywhere, so, I guess you can explain this.

I've casted IS (no procs: int, haste, mastery yet), then MF, at the beginning of the encounter, SF til solar eclipse, then, refreshed IS and casted sunfire, but, my question is, when I've refreshed IS, has it gained the buffs I've proced? Like Power Torrent, Volcanic Destruction, etc? or it will keep the way I've first casted at the beginning of the encounter?

I've searched on balance's guide and found this "...Because the entire DoT is effected by your stats at the moment of cast...", but, anyway, what means "at the moment of cast", the first cast? or refreshing it may count as a "new" cast stats ?

Thank you, Pannz.

• Hamlet · 09/09/11, 1:26 PM

When you refresh IS it will gain any buffs that you have active at that moment. The refresh is basically new cast.

The only complicated case is extended Moonfire with Starfire, which updates haste but not anything else.

piefayth · 09/14/11, 3:16 AM

I recently joined a new guild and found myself in different roles than I'm used to, mostly as a product of a transition from 10 to 25 man. As a result, I'm putting out way lower numbers than I'm used to.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My primary concerns are H Rhyo and H Alysrazor. On Rhyolith I'm on add duty. We don't bother with DPSing the slimes. I'd like to camp solar for the entire fight and just use wild mushroom on cooldown on the fragments, but the need for high dps on the sparks results in me having to leave solar. In addition, I don't have the mana pool to hurricane fragments while wild mushroom is on cooldown. I dot the legs so I don't waste GCDs, but it really doesn't seem like I can utilize all of them and still maintain enough mana for the burn phase.

On Alys, I'm focusing on the hatchlings / meteors. This was just a trainwreck for me. There's just no position I can stand in for any length of time and DPS. Trying to remain mobile and dotting everything in sight prevents me from using like half my GCDs. With all the fire, my overall uptime is abysmal. I have absolutely no idea how to optimize on this fight.

Any suggestions, or even some logs to look at in which other druids are doing similiar roles, would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance for you time.

hobitzz · 09/20/11, 6:44 AM

I was wondering how much dps the Tier12 4 set bonus is worth. I really dont understand the mechanics of when to and when not to cast starsurge with the tier bonus and was wondering how much of a dps loss it would be to take offpiece items instead.

Sysunia · 09/24/11, 9:28 AM

I got a question about geting into eclipse before the pull. I read once in some guide that there is something from engieenring that I can summon and kill and get to eclipse, but I didnt realy think about it then since I didnt have engi. But recently I got it but I cant remeber what was it or where did I read about it.

So does any one know what it might be, and does it still work? Yeah we got criters to kill in FL, but my RL is geting more and more mad at me for hunting criters after every wipe. And who knows if there will be any criters in the next tier, BoT BWD TotFW didnt have any...

Pyrates · 10/05/11, 9:06 AM

I'm usually Resto, but for Rag hero I've switched to moonkin, and I'd like to get some feedback on the tries. Here's the log:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Of course, we're whiping, so there's probably a plethora of things going wrong (and of course I take every hint I can get, even if not moonkin-specific). My gear should be ok due to using a lot of items from my main spec, but is void of any set boni.

Specifically for this fight, I've made the following decision (up for debate, of course): I'll want to be in solar eclipse for the seeds, and by trial and error I've found that it's not quite possible for me when I refresh dots at the beginning and at the end of every eclipse. So I do only refresh dots when they run out, and I comfortably reach solar eclipse during the first transition phase. I stay in solar till after the seed phase. Since we stop boss damage around the 3rd seed spawn to wait for world in flames, this seems to make a lot of sense for me (since the alternative would lessen aoe damage and push boss damage). For the seeds, I preplant mushrooms and push starfall, upon spawn I explode the mushrooms, put up hurricane (for 1 or 2 ticks), when I run out I use typhoon and use either sunfire or wrath to finish up individual seeds. Is there a better way?

I don't use starfall in the transition phases due to using it for the seeds. If the seeds work better, I'd want to skip that and use it in transitions, because I image it's hugely valuable there.

My gripe is that I think I should be doing more damage, especially since there's quite some aoe involved, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I try to run as little as possible during world in flames and such, but often I just need to move some more (e.g. in p1 when there's a trap nearby). In particular, I often can't finish a cast during world in flames, even if I take only a small step (wrath works, but starfire usually does not). I'd really be grateful for any hint how I could push damage. I'm really willing to micromanage every aspect for this fight, I guess progress will still take some time

One particular trouble is the travel time of wrath/starsurge, I'd often cast one or two more wraths then I need to when going lunar. I'm trying to get a grip on it by remembering the number of casts needed, but euphoria makes that kinda unreliable. How does anyone else handle this?

qae · 10/05/11, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Pyrates

One particular trouble is the travel time of wrath/starsurge, I'd often cast one or two more wraths then I need to when going lunar. I'm trying to get a grip on it by remembering the number of casts needed, but euphoria makes that kinda unreliable. How does anyone else handle this?

You should definately use the addon BalancePowerTracker to watch you eclipses : The option "Foresee energy" let you see when you can start casting Starfire, even if it will take some time for your wrath to hit Ragnaros.

dozens · 10/05/11, 12:37 PM

I have a pretty good set of raid gear for balance for a toon with limited raid time (an ALT). I am thinking of picking up resto as a secondary spec for greater flexibility. I currently have T11 Balance chest and legs and I read here that the 2T11 bonus isnt so great. So I was wondering should I still try to get a 2T11 resto set (legs & chest). Without reforging the balance pair gives me alot more haste, comparison

Sysunia · 10/06/11, 8:38 PM

You get a set bonus, more haste wich is your best secondary stat, less crit wich is your worst secondary stat. There is nothing to think about. If you want to take those resto items for your healing offspec fine, but there is no point in using those items for balance DPS.

Ducka · 10/12/11, 10:36 PM

I have a couple questions really, and just want to clear up some uncertainties I have about the balance rotation. What I've been doing so far is IS > MF > SS > Starfire until eclipse. I've been using Starfall / Treants / SS on cooldown. I have just been refreshing dots as they come down (before the last tick). My dps has been really low, so I decided there had to be something I missed along the way.

From what I understand I'm actually supposed to refresh dots when starting eclipse, or leaving eclipse (but still in it). I've seen people say both, but I'm not sure which one is correct. A question related to this is, if I refresh them when starting an eclipse, it's not a dps loss to clip them everytime? I come from playing a warlock, so it's habit for me to never clip dots.

A few other questions...
Should I only be using starfall and starfire when in a lunar eclipse?

What benefit does lunar shower give, when should I be spamming MF instead of using mushrooms during movement?

How does natures grace affect dot priorities? I understand that I should cast the weaker one first, so that the second one benefits from NG.

teembagel · 10/26/11, 12:39 PM

Try to refresh your dots leaving eclipse if they have less than 8s left on them.

Starfall is greatly increased in lunar and you should be using starfire in lunar as well and to get to solar. Don't forget to dot up in lunar eclipse and use starsurge.

You should be using both if you can. Put MF/SF on a couple of targets then try to drop your stacks by placing your mushrooms and using IS.

IS then MF for NG

Panzerlol · 11/02/11, 5:26 AM

Ok, my moonkin has DMC:Volcano and Power Torrent enchant.

Let's say these 2 proc at the same time, and I am around 0 solar energy (in the middle of the bar), and I refresh my DoTs.

But say I hit solar eclipse, with still 8-12 sec left on the dots, but the int/sp procs have worn off. Should I refresh them right away to benefit from the eclipse, or let them tick since they are still buffed with over 2k SP more than I usually have?

Basically, what is most beneficial, 2K SP boosted DoTs, or eclipse-boosted DoTs? I guess it depends on your mastery, and exactly how big the SP buff is, but is there any rule of thumb or such?

Like many other posters here, the durid in question is an alt, and probably not optimally geared.
My moonkin with the creative name has 1106 Mast/28% eclipse bonus, and ~8.6 k SP raid buffed.

Larrabee · 11/08/11, 10:17 AM

If you mean that they have the power torrent + DMC:V proc AND eclipsed you should obviously not just reapply dots right away. Instead start working yourself towards lunar and then refresh before they end.

If you mean that you apply them uneclipsed then you're doing it wrong. Don't apply dots unecliped.

Even if DMC:V and power torrent procs right after you redot and leave an eclipse you should have time to get into eclipse and reapply dots with them up (although I would say this sort of depends on the encounter, if you have to move for example, then you might as well reapply dots before/after)

Thorsis · 11/14/11, 12:51 PM

ok so refresh dots each time you leave an eclypse? I have mage nuggets which has been very helpful as I get an interface telling me how much time I have left and I have been making sure I don't lose a DOT.

Also is there an updated Talent tree for Balance? I quit playing for a few months and just got back after it, I want to make sure I have everything where it needs to be.

Is there a BIS list as well?

Thanks.

Panzerlol · 11/15/11, 4:18 AM

Originally Posted by Larrabee

If you mean that they have the power torrent + DMC:V proc AND eclipsed you should obviously not just reapply dots right away. Instead start working yourself towards lunar and then refresh before they end.

If you mean that you apply them uneclipsed then you're doing it wrong. Don't apply dots unecliped.

Aha! For some reason I thought that the eclipse boost was lost from the dots after the eclipse faded, just like haste updates on the dot for each tick (it does, right? It's not another thing I've gotten wrong?)

@Thorsis:
Is there a BIS list as well?

BiS lists are out of most people's league unless you have FL H on farm. I would say
- Stack haste as much as you can, with reforges and gem choices
- Higher ilvl is usually always better
- Set bonuses are good, try to get them when you can.