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Old 02/26/12, 4:40 PM   #106
Droxo
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Ok so my dps seems low for my gear, I see some dps reaching 37-38k while i'm stuck at the 31k wall. If i'm lucky. My rotation/spec/reforges are all fine, from reading sites like Restoking, mmo-champ, EJ and WoWreforge. I feel for my gear I should be hitting maybe 34-36k dps in raids.

As for DoTs and such, when I hit Lunar, I use Starfall + Engin glove cd. And when I hit an Eclispe I re-dot.

Thanks for the awaited reply!

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Old 02/26/12, 6:10 PM   #107
Phaidon
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Well, your gear is not exactly awesome, especially with the AoE weapon and trinket, your shoulders being ilvl 359 and the lack of 4pT13. Especially the weapon costs you quite some haste, which is overall rather low for your itemlevel. So, while i usually don't raid 25 mans, I'd say your dmg is okay for what you have.

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Old 02/28/12, 5:35 PM   #108
Droxo
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Originally Posted by Phaidon View Post
Well, your gear is not exactly awesome, especially with the AoE weapon and trinket, your shoulders being ilvl 359 and the lack of 4pT13. Especially the weapon costs you quite some haste, which is overall rather low for your itemlevel. So, while i usually don't raid 25 mans, I'd say your dmg is okay for what you have.
Yeah, I thought first that it's gear dependant, and i've just got to gear up some more. But I was just trying to push my dps as far as I can - I'm trying for the Haste trinket from Yor'shaj, We've cleared it on HC, So I'm hoping for the hc one of that - Furthermore, I've just been really lucky with EPGP rolls in guild for the shoulders, which will be a bonus.

I don't see my weapon being a problem. Perhaps it's just the shoulders, AoE trink thats pulling me back a bit, and the LFR items also.


Thanks for the reply!

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Old 03/09/12, 7:19 AM   #109
Epicluls
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Need some tips

Ok, so my guild has been working on heroic ultraxion 25 the last few weeks, last night we managed to put in some serious attempts, but it seems we are still lacking in the dps department. I'm disapointed in my own performance, and so is my raid leader. I feel like with my gear, i should be able to better match the other members of my guild. However, my dps seems to range anywhere from 29-31k dps. (no legendary weapon, no dark intent)

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what do you guys think? am i doing something fundimentally wrong? I feel like i have a pretty decent understanding of the rotation, but then again i did have a few basic questions, I notice when starting a fight, sometimes if I go toward lunar eclipse first, it doesn't proc even after i hit 100 lunar energy and then begin casting starfire, causeing me to have to go back and try again. (i'm pretty sure this is due to the first starsurge always working toward solar? depending on when i cast it)
The other thing, sometimes when I get to 100 lunar or solar energy, the transition to eclipse lags, so reapplying dots right away doesn't get the benifit of nature's grace. Is it best to cast a starfire/wrath first before re applying even if the dot runs out prior to 100 lunar/solar? Should i be re-applying dots immedietly as they fall off, or trying to get them in eclipse as much as possible?

Any tips/feedback would be great, thanks guys!

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Old 03/09/12, 2:50 PM   #110
Skyepic
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Originally Posted by Epicluls View Post
Ok, so my guild has been working on heroic ultraxion 25 the last few weeks, last night we managed to put in some serious attempts, but it seems we are still lacking in the dps department. I'm disapointed in my own performance, and so is my raid leader. I feel like with my gear, i should be able to better match the other members of my guild. However, my dps seems to range anywhere from 29-31k dps. (no legendary weapon, no dark intent)

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Epicluls @ Frostmane - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

what do you guys think? am i doing something fundimentally wrong? I feel like i have a pretty decent understanding of the rotation, but then again i did have a few basic questions, I notice when starting a fight, sometimes if I go toward lunar eclipse first, it doesn't proc even after i hit 100 lunar energy and then begin casting starfire, causeing me to have to go back and try again. (i'm pretty sure this is due to the first starsurge always working toward solar? depending on when i cast it)
The other thing, sometimes when I get to 100 lunar or solar energy, the transition to eclipse lags, so reapplying dots right away doesn't get the benifit of nature's grace. Is it best to cast a starfire/wrath first before re applying even if the dot runs out prior to 100 lunar/solar? Should i be re-applying dots immedietly as they fall off, or trying to get them in eclipse as much as possible?

Any tips/feedback would be great, thanks guys!
Gear wise, you should have the Mindbender lens relic and, your boot enchant is wrong. 50 haste or lava walker, i personally like the run speed inscrease but if you're going strictly min/max DPS, 50 haste is best. I don't have the exact number (and someone please prove me wrong if i am) but i think Glyph of Starsurge is better than glyph of wrath once you acquire 4pc because it allows your starfall to be up everytime you reach lunar eclipse. Wouldn't be a bad idea to run Glyph of Focus for ultraxion either, as long as you remember to switch it out afterwards.

As for openings, in a nuetral position (i.e zoning into an instance and having your eclipse bar reset) Starsurge will always favor solar first. So if you open with starsurge it will go towards Solar eclipse. However, if you wrath first, THEN starsurge, it will continue towards Lunar. Also note, when in a complete nuetral eclipse state, your eclipse bar has the ability to go both ways regardless of where you are in eclipse power. And because of the travel time on wrath / starsurge, if you push towards lunar first you need to make sure lunar eclipse becomes active before your first starfire lands, otherwise it will push your bar back towards solar, and then the wrath will hit and it will push u back towards lunar etc. Once you lock into your first eclipse your bar will not fluctuate like this anymore.

When reaching an eclipse, because of lag (like you said) you want to cast 1 starfire/wrath before applying your dots (if u need to apply them right away). And yes, unless you are 1-2 GCD's away from hitting an eclipse, you want to refresh your DoTs as they are falling off. You also do not want to refresh your DoT's immediately after entering an eclipse. As long as you apply your DoTs before you leave the eclipse you are still going to get the maximum benefit.**NOTE** The only exception to this is if you have a large spellpower proc (I.E a trinket proc or potion), then you will want to refresh your DoTs before the duration of the spellpower buff wears off, regardless of clipping your current DoTs.

Do you have any other trinkets you can use besides Cunning? Rag trinket / Necro focus would both be better than Cunning single target, since boomkins don't buff the shadow damage on it like priests and warlocks do.

Last edited by Skyepic : 03/09/12 at 3:01 PM.

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Old 03/09/12, 4:08 PM   #111
Epicluls
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Thanks for the help, i'll switch boot enchant and glyphs, and the only other trinket i have is darkmoon card volcano, as of yet i have been unable to aquire will of unbinding. other than those minor pieces am i otherwise about where my dps should be?

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Old 03/12/12, 1:58 AM   #112
Mooneyez
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Originally Posted by Skyepic View Post
Wouldn't be a bad idea to run Glyph of Focus for ultraxion either, as long as you remember to switch it out afterwards.
Hi there
I've also been struggling with Balance dps, hence I've been reading up on these forums. I'm curious, if not Glyph of Focus, which glyph is better? My Major glyphs at the moment (as standard) are Glyph of Starfall, Glyph of Focus and Glyph of Rebirth.

Wrathcalcs tells me it's a dps loss to cast Thorns, so no point in having that glyphed...?

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Old 03/12/12, 4:25 PM   #113
Skyepic
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Originally Posted by Mooneyez View Post
Hi there
I've also been struggling with Balance dps, hence I've been reading up on these forums. I'm curious, if not Glyph of Focus, which glyph is better? My Major glyphs at the moment (as standard) are Glyph of Starfall, Glyph of Focus and Glyph of Rebirth.

Wrathcalcs tells me it's a dps loss to cast Thorns, so no point in having that glyphed...?
Glyph of monsoon. Typhoon in dragon soul isn't nearly as important as it was in Firelands. Your 3rd glyph is just kind of a filler glyph on most fights in dragon soul since you won't be much benefit from anything you put in there. At the same time keeping focus perma glyphed is a really bad idea. So i just keep monsoon in there since it's probably the best of the worst.

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Old 03/30/12, 6:18 PM   #114
adrsol
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Originally Posted by Slippykins View Post
From what I've tested in WrathCalcs, you can even go:

4T12 heroic -> 4T13 normal -> 4T13 heroic

The first transition would be a significant-enough upgrade to be warranted.
I disagree, I've been testing 4T12 heroic vs 4T13 normal and the gain if not minimal is absent at all, in T12 I can refresh Moonfire/Sunfire every eclipse with almost 100% uptime*. I'm using only T12 head normal and T12 shoulders offpiece from the resto set heroic. T13 shines at HC. What I don't know if you must use the SS Glyph with T13 or not.

*I must add the [Insignia of the Corrupted Mind] is key there.

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Old 03/31/12, 10:19 AM   #115
Romner
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Originally Posted by qae View Post
Oops, my bad, for some reason I thought [Ledger of Revolting Rituals] was a valor item.. Good luck looting it or [Dragonfire Orb]!
Alternatively, [Lightning Rod] is pretty good.
Hey,

I have now obtained the Normal version of Tita'hk. WrathCalcs says it'll be an 800 dps boost up from the vagaries+skull - would you recommend it? Thanks

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Old 03/31/12, 10:42 AM   #116
 Tecton
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Looking at your profile, I'm going to wager most of that advantage is due to you being nearly 2% over the hit cap with Vagaries/OH. If you swap that about, you've got about 100 DPS between them. At that level, you have to start wondering if you're going to lose any of the haste proc due to movement/etc, and if it's not worthwhile to simply stick with the additional secondary stats.


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Old 03/31/12, 11:43 AM   #117
Romner
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Originally Posted by Tecton View Post
Looking at your profile, I'm going to wager most of that advantage is due to you being nearly 2% over the hit cap with Vagaries/OH. If you swap that about, you've got about 100 DPS between them. At that level, you have to start wondering if you're going to lose any of the haste proc due to movement/etc, and if it's not worthwhile to simply stick with the additional secondary stats.
Yeah, I haven't logged in since I got that so haven't had the chance to reforge yet. :P

I reckoned they were about equal. I'll give the staff a go and see how it affects my DPS in practice.

I'm assuming if I were to get the Lightning Rod or one of the Dragonsoul off-hands that'd be better than tita'hk? (And they would be gemmed with the proper gem not the silly inferno ruby)

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Old 03/31/12, 3:27 PM   #118
Zilulil
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Originally Posted by adrsol View Post
I disagree, I've been testing 4T12 heroic vs 4T13 normal and the gain if not minimal is absent at all, in T12 I can refresh Moonfire/Sunfire every eclipse with almost 100% uptime*. I'm using only T12 head normal and T12 shoulders offpiece from the resto set heroic. T13 shines at HC. What I don't know if you must use the SS Glyph with T13 or not.

*I must add the [Insignia of the Corrupted Mind] is key there.
[Item not found!] isn't a dps gain over the other Prime glyphs according to Simcraft and from what I've seen in practice. We cycle eclipses to fast to guarantee 1 starfall per eclipse anymore.

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Old 04/01/12, 2:03 PM   #119
Dead_MAX
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Question: How do i achive the best zerg damage? Lunar or Solar eclipse?

Reason: Spine HC 10 man

When big add has 50 and less % im trying to stay in one eclipse with 100 energy...when in lunar i spam wrath to stay there...I prepare 3 mushrooms and waiting with starfall (not sure if that is good)

So Lunar with starfall or Solar with stronger dots?

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Old 04/02/12, 12:48 PM   #120
adrsol
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During an opening tendon you have 18-20secs of dps time only, then you should always stay on solar (starting solar) for that part, both your dots will get increased dmg and you will burst more with Wrath, but you could time it and see how it goes, just sit on a dummy and see how much you will do in each eclipse during that time lapse.

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