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Old 01/09/12, 5:52 AM   #181
Demes
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Druid
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by PawsomeOZ View Post
TYPE RETURN
Volcanic 4200 (with raid buffs)
Mythical 9,250 to 10,750
Concentration 22,000

Volcano pot is 21k mana, Innervate gives 20% of that back so 4200 gained.
Don't forget 2 ticks of revitalize and 25 seconds of replenishment, giving 6.5% more, so 26.5% out of that 21k = 5565 mana.

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Old 01/09/12, 9:03 AM   #182
Taringe
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Llane
Originally Posted by Demes View Post
Don't forget 2 ticks of revitalize and 25 seconds of replenishment, giving 6.5% more, so 26.5% out of that 21k = 5565 mana.
Mythical Mana is still ~10,000. Potion of Concentration is far more beyond that if you're able to find the time to use it.

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Old 01/11/12, 5:33 AM   #183
jengholm
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Trinket

Hi,

I could use some advise in choosing between these two

Eye of Blazing Power - Game - World of Warcraft
Heart of Unliving - Item - World of Warcraft

Help most appreciated

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Old 01/14/12, 7:07 AM   #184
mineis
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Nordrassil
Hello, I just hopped on my resto alt and notice a strange behavior with the druid's mastery and its interaction with existing HoT. I noticed that harmony doesn't re-calculates the amount healed through HoTs if it is the HoT is already on the player before Harmony. I tested Rejuvenation + Nourish and observed that the HoT remains the same strength. If I casted the Nourish first, then Rejuvenation will tick harder. (I removed all spell power gaining abilities from gear).
This lower number corrects itself during re-application of the HoT as I tested with Rejuvenation + Nourish + Rejuvenation. The second Rejuvenation healed for a higher amount.
Lifebloom may also suffer, but I have the talent Empowered Touch which refreshes the Lifebloom.
Interestingly, this works the other way around too. Suppose you have an Harmony(ized) Rejuvenation, and "clicked off" the Harmony buff. The Rejuvenation will tick for the Harmonized amount.

If this isn't a bug, then it is stronger to heal by applying Harmony on the target before Rejuvenation or Wild Growth. Regrowth applies Harmony and I believe Regrowth's HoT is Harmonized.

If this is already known, sorry to wasted your time.

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Old 01/16/12, 4:27 PM   #185
Arrow8
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
I was wondering about DS trinkets - just unsure which ones to aim for. I currently have [Item not found!] and [Jaws of Defeat] (378 jaws not 391, can't seem to change it).

Is the [Seal of the Seven Signs] (or the heroic version) worth it? While [Windward Heart] seems like a sensible and linear upgrade, I'm not generally a fan of "random proc", long CD trinkets, which Seal is, especially for healers but maybe the maths has been done and it's been found to be really good. Obviously it's an improvement in intellect, but is that sufficient?

Edit - forgot [Heart of Unliving]. My guild isn't close to downing spine hc anytime soon but is this item an upgrade over normal jaws? I heard it was slightly worse than jaws, but unsure if I got it straight.

Thanks.

Last edited by Arrow8 : 01/16/12 at 8:22 PM.

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Old 01/23/12, 11:00 PM   #186
Demes
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Troll Druid
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Arrow8 View Post
I was wondering about DS trinkets - just unsure which ones to aim for. I currently have [Item not found!] and [Jaws of Defeat] (378 jaws not 391, can't seem to change it).

Is the [Seal of the Seven Signs] (or the heroic version) worth it? While [Windward Heart] seems like a sensible and linear upgrade, I'm not generally a fan of "random proc", long CD trinkets, which Seal is, especially for healers but maybe the maths has been done and it's been found to be really good. Obviously it's an improvement in intellect, but is that sufficient?

Edit - forgot [Heart of Unliving]. My guild isn't close to downing spine hc anytime soon but is this item an upgrade over normal jaws? I heard it was slightly worse than jaws, but unsure if I got it straight.

Thanks.
The haste proc trinket isn't very good, as it procs a bunch of haste, and as haste is our worst secondary stat outside of breakpoints, it's not a very good trinket. The haste proc will probably put you in some random unoptimal spot between breakpoints, and be much less useful, than a similar amount of mastery or crit would have been. Obviously being a proc, it can proc at less useful times, but it can proc at a very good time too. Heart of Unliving is a good trinket, I replaced my normal jaws with it as we are progressing on spine. If you can get at least those 16 casts every 2 minutes off during the 20 seconds then, sure, its better but depending how good you are at using it and depending on the encounter, Unliving might pull ahead. I do think Windward Heart is an extremely good trinket as it scales and has a short icd, and I will be picking it up as soon as I can.

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Old 01/27/12, 2:43 PM   #187
Shelendil
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Night Elf Druid
 
Lightbringer
While haste is our worst stat between breakpoints, Seal pushes past breakpoints like Nature's Grace. Assuming 2005 haste, either Seal or NG will give an extra tick on rejuv, wg, and efflor. Stacking them together will give two extra ticks on rejuv and three extra ticks on wg and efflor.

In an attempt to compare apples to oranges: 416 HoU > 410 SotSS > 403 HoU with appropriate reforges for regen needs.

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Old 01/29/12, 7:00 AM   #188
gøki
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Frostmane (EU)
I am running with 4 piece T13 and while lackluster the higher ilvl does provide nice primary and secondary stats. I was wondering if it is worth it for me to swap the LFR slots with 2PC t12 for the added mana regen, I reforge out of spirit on every slot and go for maximum output. The problem is that our second healer (a pally) is not good and I have to pick up his slack with more healing which really hurts my mana. I was wondering how much the 2PC t12 is worth on a 10 minute fight like deathwing?


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Old 01/29/12, 10:08 AM   #189
Denak
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Shattered Hand
Looking at my last Madness kill here, in a 13:33 minute encounter, revitalize accounted for approximately 168k mana gained for roughly 80% uptime on lifebloom (for your mana pool, this would be somewhere between 150-155k mana regained)

I ran a very similar gear setup to you pre-heroics (reforge out of spirit and into mastery), and in 2p12/2p13 never had an issue with mana. The only major difference was my first trinket is Heroic Jaws, and yours LFR Heart of Unliving (which are close to the same mana benefit, assuming the jaws aren't utilized perfectly on every CD). As long as you are conscious about your innervate timing and maintaining LB, you shouldn't run into any mana related troubles.

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Old 02/01/12, 5:12 AM   #190
PawsomeOZ
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Druid
 
Ner'zhul
Revitalize is a resto talent, the 2P12 is called Heartfire, you regained 82.5k mana

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Old 02/03/12, 10:57 PM   #191
Tosya
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Азурегос (EU)
Originally Posted by gøki View Post
I am running with 4 piece T13 and while lackluster the higher ilvl does provide nice primary and secondary stats. I was wondering if it is worth it for me to swap the LFR slots with 2PC t12 for the added mana regen, I reforge out of spirit on every slot and go for maximum output. The problem is that our second healer (a pally) is not good and I have to pick up his slack with more healing which really hurts my mana. I was wondering how much the 2PC t12 is worth on a 10 minute fight like deathwing?


Konkatsu @ Frostmane - Game - World of Warcraft

Armory
If I were you, I'd use items with higher ilvl. If you have mana problems. I'd recommend you to take moonglow instead of genesis, or at list instead of 2 points in furor and 1 in genesis. If you do lots of casts moonglow is better choice than furor.

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Old 02/25/12, 1:12 PM   #192
Abominabilis
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
We are currently working on Spine hc.
I feel i'm doing ok but i think i mabye should be using Effloresence more.

I'm keeping Lifebloom and Rejuvenation up on the people getting Searing Plasma until the second plate on his spine till our tank needs the healing from that point on i keep lifebloom ticking on the Tank

Any pointer what i could be doing better?

Armory:Zecele @ Auchindoun - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

World of logs:World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

There are no mana issue's for me on this fight.

I do have the Deep Earth gloves and Deep Earth Mangle both heroic but even if i would enchanter my gloves with Haste i would still be 9 haste short.

Last edited by Abominabilis : 02/25/12 at 1:38 PM.

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Old 03/01/12, 8:47 PM   #193
magiama9
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonmaw
Haste Breakpoint Question!

So, my 10m raid is currently progressing on heroics such as zonozz(although it's hard to call it progression with the 10% buff), and I am in a sticky situation. We are currently running a less than ideal comp due to some real life situations, and don't have 5% haste. This means I either have to gear for 1604 haste for the rejuv breakpoint or 2700(approximately) haste for the wild growth breakpoint. Is it worth it to sacrifice a buttload of mastery/spirit for the 2700 haste breakpoint, or should I just stick to 1600. Thanks!

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Old 03/07/12, 8:45 AM   #194
Playered
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Tauren Druid
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by Abominabilis View Post
We are currently working on Spine hc.
I feel i'm doing ok but i think i mabye should be using Effloresence more.

I'm keeping Lifebloom and Rejuvenation up on the people getting Searing Plasma until the second plate on his spine till our tank needs the healing from that point on i keep lifebloom ticking on the Tank

Any pointer what i could be doing better?

Armory:Zecele @ Auchindoun - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

World of logs:World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

There are no mana issue's for me on this fight.

I do have the Deep Earth gloves and Deep Earth Mangle both heroic but even if i would enchanter my gloves with Haste i would still be 9 haste short.
You don't mention what is going wrong in the fight/why you are struggling that is related to healing. If you say mana is not an issue then I would at least advise using more HT on Searing targets to help clear those off and make things smoother though. Swiftmend/Eff usage will only often increase to any meaningful amount if your raid clusters more appropriately although if you math out the maximum number of times you could use Swiftmend then you are only really utilizing it 66% of the time and you could most likely bring that up to something like 80%~ without resulting in just blindly using it poorly.

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Old 03/07/12, 12:46 PM   #195
Marcis
Glass Joe
 
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Worgen Druid
 
Aszune (EU)
Wipefest on Hagara 10HC:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
My biggest problem is when other 2 healers (resto shaman and disco priest) are in iceblocks i just can't keep our paladin tank alive...
Armory link:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aszune/dougan
as far trinkets go - maybe they drop somewhere else but not for our raid group.
We raid DS from week 1 and we haven't seen nor windward heart nor seal of seven signs.
Resto shaman got his unliving from Spine once and that's it.
LFR which i run every week also seems devoid of heal trinkets.

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