I just assumed it would increase like a normal 4-tick HoT. Going up to 5 ticks at 2017 with NG only is consistent with that, I think.

Yeah, they should be the same, subject to the rounding we've been talking about. So with Tranq being important in the patch, those breakpoints will get more prominent. In addition to the WG ones getting much more so due to Efflorescence.

I've just added Tranquility to my breakpoint table. Looks like 917 needed for the 5th tick, so it may be worth targeting that instead of 916.

According to the initial information at MMO:

* Nature's Swiftness: When activated, your next Nature spell with a base casting time less than 10 sec. becomes an instant cast spell. If that spell is a healing spell, the amount healed will be increased by 50%.

So a typical NS/HT will give a 33k~ heal which quite honestly does very little. If anything it standardizes it against the Shaman version of NS (100% 2min vs 150% 3min) assuming there is no additional changes from what has been datamined but really thats about it.

I'm not trying to say its a bad change as obviously it is a nice one - it just does next to nothing and doesn't really change the issue with the talent (or the class 'weakness') itself.

I very much doubt they'll change it to be used by instant spells, since its point is to make a non-instant cast spell, instant. And instant cast tranq would be way too sexy to be allowed as well!

It's a nice little change, and makes a NS/HT somewhat more likely to prevent a death. If you aren't giving innervates away, the healing touch glyph makes NS even better as well. Only need 6 healing touches to take a minute off the cd. If you are straight up spamming it, depending on haste the cd is reduced to 30-40 seconds. Naturally even tank healing you'd use some RJ's and WG's, but as I said, its a nice change.

A good example was our H Nef progression. There were several times a tank, or possibly even someone else would take a spike immediately before a crackle. The person needs to be healed a certain amount, instantly or dies. The change simply makes it 50% more likely to heal a sufficient amount to save them. Or of course just another melee swing, or anytime you believe incoming damage is going to kill, and don't have time for a cast.

Obviously it doesn't compare with "real" tank cd's, but used well by someone with fast reflexes and low ms, I definitely believe its worth the talent point for progression. For a pure wol ranking/throughput/farm spec no. But lifesaving progression spec yes.

After getting Shard of Woe, I used Nature's Grace and trinket back to back every cooldown with few exceptions. Definetely not waiting more than 10-15 seconds to use it, unless at the moment cooldown is up raid gets close to zero damage.
Actually, it does increase throuput if (Current_Hps) < (Healing_done_by_HT / GCD). I don't even know how people get such high numbers on their LS. These are logs from BWD and Valiona + Throne. My LS is hovering between 0%-1.0%. Rejuv is so much superior to HT in every way, that unless you heal specified targets for some weird reason or someone is dipping low, you shouldn't be using HT at all.

Speccing Living Seed for throughput is dumb, to say the least. If you want to set WoL records, you should do most of your healing via Rejuv, Wild Growth and Lifebloom, because all other spells are inefficient, do low HPS and have way higher overhealing compared to those 3. Your 3 points in Living Seed will do 0.1%-0.2% healing, if you are lucky enough.

I don't know how to calculate difference between 2/3 LS + NS vs. 3/3 LS, but my feelings tell me that 33% of 0.6% (one LS point) compared to X% (one NS point) wouldn't make any difference you will notice in the logs. Keeping the above in mind, I suppose taking some sort of tool over really mediocre talent is what I would do. 30k+ heal will doubtfully become a lifesaver, but hopefully it will at least be something like Priest's Desperate Prayer.

Nature's swiftness still triggers the gcd, so in effect it only takes 1 second off the HT cast every 3 minutes. Less with the glyph of course.

That makes efflorescence, NB, GotEM, BotG, and probably even living seed (depending on use of Regrowth mostly) superior throughput options. However those little specs of healing are incredibly unlikely to be as life saving as a clutch NS/HT.

If you don't need to give innervates away, and can use the HT glyph, it could possible be a superior throughput choice over LS or Botg, I'd have to do some math.

I consider the WG glyph and Rebirth glyphs as non-optional, and innervate glyph non-optional if you are giving them away.

Also while in a perfect world max throughput is RJ, WG, & LB, I'm very well geared and I can't do that a whole fight nonstop. Not that any fights require it. So using HT or RG for omen procs is just good sense. And then I do a lot of tank covering as well. In ToL I use a lot of RG's, using them to refresh low hp LB's if they need it. Also casts are better if you are pushing for rankings and you know hots are going to overheal, or if someone may die before hots can help.

LS throughput depends largely on NB and RG use. I doubt anyone will keep this talent after they unlink them, unless they fix it. But with 3/3 in order to get efflo it isn't rare that I get 2-3% healing from it.

Ok that isn't what I meant, I stated it poorly.... the Nature's swiftness doesn't trigger it, the instant HT triggers it. Which works out to be the same thing, NS/HT triggering the gcd, and therefore only equaling throughput wise, 1 second off the cast. Obviously its more valuable because as an instant heal the heal happens before the gcd, vs after a cast completes.

When it comes to meter throughput, which is what we were discussing, it only shaves a second off.

No one has 2.5 second casts on HT/NR these days so it's even less than 1 second gained on your general duration of throughput. In saying that when has NS ever been about that? the ability is just there for anti-spike reactionary healing or an instant CR - not part of your sustained HPS rotation. I don't know why NS is being considered this way at all really.

The value of LS is adding an unreliable minor heal on essentially one target.
The value of BoTG is adding a minor boost to every cast of one of your top 2 healing spells.
The value of NS is giving you a button to press in a panic situation which provides instant healing rather than time delayed healing.
The value of Perseverance is reducing almost all major damage attacks you will receive in a raid by a small amount.

All the options are so weak that trying to pin them down on throughput gain alone is silly in my mind and a more useful assessment should include the reality of impact said talent has on your performance in a raid.

Exactly what I was saying. When looked at from a pure throughput pov NS isn't worth the point. But you won't get far progression wise if all you care about is raw throughput.

Hurray HT does 35k now. Great buff...

Also, what's all this fuss about Shards of Woe, if you're running out of mana, you're doing something wrong, or you're sniping heals, learn to manage it better and stack more spellpower, haste, or crit.