I assume you'd want another condition to check for 4pc T12 in conjunction to the buff.berserk.up?

Without the 4pc T12 and under Berserk conditions, I think you would want to just continue to Shred until Rip wears off some 5 or less secs later.

So with it in mind that FB spamming with 4piece tier 12 is a gain in dps, I would like to also observe that FB's dpe is significantly lower with high energy bites. Do you think we would consider intentionally starting berserk with a medium-small sized energy pool so that our full berserk+FB spam is more energy efficient? It seems to be something like

Option A: Begin berserk w/ a full energy bar, apply rip, being shred--->bite spam crunching away the full energy bar with massive energy costs ferocious bites.

Option B: Begin berserk w/ ~40 energy, apply rip, begin shred--->bite spam with 12 energy cost bites (DPE: 1693.2) vs (DPE: 1126.9).

In both scenarios we start with a full energy bar and observe the damage done for ~ 46 seconds (assuming you can keep up 1 finsher every 5 gcds), at the end of each 46 second time frame we end with zero energy and berserk expired.

Napkin math suggests that with Ooc procs of heroism+ higher energy regen it would be possible to hover at a steady amount of energy; the napkin math simply put is something to the just of 'you generate a virtual 18 energy per second, your average 10 abilities should be something like x7 shred x1 rake x2 fb, if all goes according to plan you spend 20 energy per shred 12.5 per fb and 17.5 per rake, based on this you should more or less break even.'

With this in mind, if we view the full berserk + 5 seconds surrounding, our two options at a second glance are as follows:

Option A: Begin berserk w/ full energy bar, burn through present energy at a decent dpe, never run out of energy and continue to hit5+fb for the full duration of berserk. After berserk has expired, begin normal rotation w/ zero energy bar. Note for this option the extra time spent outside of berserk is after berserk's duration has ended.

Option B: Spend about 4-5 seconds shred/raking down energy, berserk@12 energy and FB, continue to berserk w/ fb spams at most efficient rate of dpe.


In both of these options we are not limited to the amount of energy during berserk, in so much that once our energy is low it should more or less stabilize with the low energy bite spam. In option A we spend the same number of gcds during berserk doing the same actions as option B, in both scenarios we ramp to 5---> FB. The difference in berserks damage done is over the first four bites; since the first four bites would be high-energy bites(it would take roughly this many to dump the excess starting energy.) In option A these starting bites will deal ~twice as much dmg at a lower dpe. Alternatively, with option B we maintain the same number bites/shreds etc during berserk but with higher dpe on the bites and slightly lower dps. The next comparison of these two options are the 5 seconds before or after the berserk. In both scenarios we start with a full energy bar and observe the damage done for ~ 46 seconds (assuming you can keep up 1 finsher every 5 gcds), at the end of each 46 second time frame we end with zero energy and berserk expired.

Option A: Damage of typical zerked fb spam rotation + roughly 4 fb's worth of damage in the extra energy burned enhancing bites. 5 seconds worth of energy + consumption after zerk has expired totaling in ~ 1shred+1rake.

Option B: ~4shreds + rake to dump initial energy +Damage of a typical zerked fb spam rotation.

When everything is said and done, it seems Option A has 4 fb's worth of dmg vs Option B's 3-4shreds. It seems to me the best way to berserk with the conditions previously stated (4p t12 + generally energy neutral when at low energy) is to go with Option A; starting with full energy bar and slowly grinding it down profiting a little bonus damage along the way.

Note: This is assuming your energy-neutral. If for whatever reason your energy-positive you may considering starting your zerk with ~100 or 90 energy.

Thanks again to lolich for assistance w/ computations.
Lolich: 'Either way your gaining/losing as much damage as 1 white attack, who cares how you berserk?'
We do lolich, we do.

Junchuurik is right, most of the time you roll TF straight into a berzerk so that you can spam shred like mad, abusing the uptime on TF and highest DPE of Shred. (Note that 9 times out of 10 you will need to use cower on cd as your agro if you do this on the pull is retardedly high, 24k threat/second makes our maintank whine like a 12yo girl).

It would also be pointless to do it with low energy as you are inferring that your TF was not recently used, leading to even more downtime on TF than berzerk already provides.

Helistar, i'm going to rule out my parse on baleroc as simple luck. The stddev of the simulation was around 670 so i suppose its plausible that i just got ridiculously lucky with procs + crits (just went over it, every crit value was less than simulated except rip which was 54% instead of 45%.. giving me enough of a boost to possibly cover the dps gap). This still doesn't accurately show why the mew simulator jumps between values so quickly. I understand on a few parses it might sync up abilities but surely not that much.

Without 4pT12, TF 0~5s before berserk doesn't lose you TF uptime, but you need to enter berserk with the highest energy possible. Thus it is ideal to spend your energy to ~25 then TF+berserk. If you pre-TF you either enter berserk with less energy or do nothing and waste the 15% bonus damage.

Can't quite get what you are saying. If you are referring to the options A/B in your previous post, it is very obvious that starting berserk with anything less than a full energy bar is a dps loss. There is no way your "higher DPE FB" is going to make up for the effective energy lost in not having a full energy bar. IMO there is no reason to discuss "how much energy to pool before berserk".

I believe Leafkiller summed things up pretty well.