
Originally Posted by byjiang
Facts:
1. If you start berserk at full energy and end at 0 energy, you do more damage than if you start at less than full energy and end at 0 energy. Because you have more energy to spend.
2. 5cp FB still has higher DPE than shred during berserk. (Check out Mew)
3. FB costs 37.5 energy and shred costs 20 energy during berserk. Assuming full hit/expertise, and a rotation of 4 shreds 1 FB, in 25 seconds the total energy spent is 587.5. You would need to have an average energy regen rate of 19.5/s to be not able to finish at 0 energy (assuming 100 energy at start).
4. Of all raid buffs only heroism and dark intent increase energy regen. Heroism gives 3/s, DI 0.3/s.
5. H The Hungerer (15s) & H Matrix Restablizer (30s) gives 13.5% haste each, totaling 2.2/s energy regen. 2000 haste from gear gives 15.6% haste, equivalent to 1.56/s energy regen.
6. There is no way you'll ever hit 19.5/s energy regen during berserk, i.e. you'll always hit 0 energy during berserk, unless you get an OOC streak.
7. Starting at X energy (X<100) and ending at 0 energy is completely equivalent to starting at 100 energy and ending at 100-X energy, from an energy POV.
Conclusion: no reason whatsoever to not start berserk at full energy. With 4pT12 it is all the more not to be considered.
Please kindly point out anything incorrect, thanks.
Edit:OOC
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For the dpe comparison of shred and berserk can you please supply some numbers? The only reason I chose to source from simcraft data instead of mew data was because mew data did not provide the details required; such as damage per bite.
Based on stats still available on simcraft, I listed how and why I derived a full energy Ferocious bite is less dpe than shred.
The simcraft numbers crunched previously can be found previously posted on this forum post #48.
Since there seems to be some dispute as to the dpe conversions of FB and Shred during berserk, im going to pull samples from my WoL of last week Balrok and re-calc:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
FB Crit avg
63609.3 / 37.5 = 1696.25 crit fb dpe during berserk
FB non crit avg
26561.8 / 37.5 = 708.31 noncrti fb dpe during berserk
Shred Crit avg
36568.8 / 20 = 1828.44 crit shred dpe during berserk
Shred noncrit avg
17801.9 / 20 = 890.1 noncrit shred dpe during berserk
NOTE: These are actual results from a fight that took place, not simmed or theorized figures.
Now that we have established outside of 4pt12 shredspam > fb spam for dpe, I re-state my previous posts: To make the most of your berserk you play to your limiting resource; if limited by energy shred spam for the maximum dpe; if limited by time 5point fb spam for maximum dps.
Also when I crunched the original post about being able to shred spam while maintaining energy, I factored the energy gains of OOC, which I found to dramatically increase your energy/second; as well as dodges. No stat set I have seen actually suggest that expertise > crit, so it is unlikely that you would actually be expertise capped.