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Old 07/11/11, 12:06 PM   #61
Ultis
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Note however that the BiS trinkets are regeneration trinkets, so in case you are already mana capped on a given fight, then the throughput trinkets might be an option.

Ranking of throughput trinkets (i.e. assuming infinite mana) should be roughly:
1. 365 [Petrified Pickled Egg] (from future Brewfest, might be changed though in the meantime; also not on-use)
2. 378 [Rune of Zeth] (raid rep)
3. 365 [Moonwell Chalice] (Firelands dailies)
4. 391 [Eye of Awareness] (H Alysrazor)
5. 378 [Fiery Quintessence] (raid rep)
6. 359 [Mandala of Stirring Patterns] (Tol Barad dailies)
7. 346 [Figurine - Jeweled Serpent] (JC only)
8. 359 [Soul Casket] (JP)
9. 378 [Eye of Blazing Power] (Alysrazor)
9. 346 [Tendrils of Burrowing Dark] (Ozruk)
10. 346 [Witching Hourglass] (Ascendant Lord Obsidius)

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Old 07/11/11, 12:13 PM   #62
Ultis
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As an addendum, the first 4 in the list should tend to keep their ranking with different conditions, while the ranking of all the others is mostly situational.

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Old 07/12/11, 3:28 AM   #63
Stiggers
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Tauren Druid
 
Vek'nilash (EU)
Long time reader first time poster So my first query is probably a noobish one.

Int and Haste are our best stats (haste at break points), so would [Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest] be BIS as of the huge amount of Int and Haste? I know its got hit (reforge to something) and the proc is wasted, but the stats on the staff are still huge compared to all other options. I ask this as I have the chance to start collecting the orbs soon due to our 10man set up and wondering if it might be worth chasing it actively as BIS.

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Old 07/12/11, 5:26 AM   #64
Nihlo
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Yes of course it's BiS. The higher itemlevel and the high number of red sockets give you an enormous amount of Int.

But consider the fact that legendaries live from their procs. A DD who has got the Staff will probably never need another weapon in this Addon while you might find something better in 4.3. We also can exspect that the next legendary will be a healer-waepon again.

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Old 07/12/11, 6:42 AM   #65
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Especially in a 10 man, that's going to be a huge waste on a healer, however it is technically BiS as Nihlo says. The length of time it takes to craft in 10 man, as well as the huge DPS boost it provides really means we should never be pursuing it unless nobody else can use it. We'd probably replace it next tier since it's itemised with hit, which we don't want.

I don't think the next legendary will be for healers due to their comments on it being targetted for a more narrow audience, but that's really neither here nor there.

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Old 07/14/11, 12:43 AM   #66
rafikki
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Even though we're in the druid forum (obviously) some of y'all mind find this log interesting when talking to other healers in your raids:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My [Eye of Blazing Power] procced ~50 more times over the night than our disc priest's did, with a much higher crit rate as well. Just some more data to look at when deciding on trinkets.

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Old 07/14/11, 1:36 AM   #67
 Hamlet
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It's still a 45s ICD and no spellpower, as we've verified before: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

TreeCalcs already assumes an instant proc every 45s, so it's basically taking this into account (the new information here is that it does in fact hug the 45s ICD quite closely, probably due to proccing from HoT's).

Anyway, point is the proc is pretty nice, but I don't see it outweighing the substantial amounts of regen that good trinkets can give.


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Old 07/14/11, 2:27 AM   #68
Chris2500DK
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How is Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon looking for resto in 4.2?

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Old 07/14/11, 2:52 AM   #69
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by Chris2500DK View Post
How is Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon looking for resto in 4.2?
Heh, that's funny. I'll take a closer look tomorrow, but it seems to be around as good as a normal Jar. (Still not good enough to really use over other trinkets that give throughput, but amusingly close).


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Old 07/14/11, 1:38 PM   #70
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Since I threw it into my copy of the sheet anyway when I was answering the above, you can take a look here.
Attached Files
File Type: xls TreeCalcs 110714.xls (846.0 KB, 252 views)


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Old 07/14/11, 6:27 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
It's still a 45s ICD and no spellpower, as we've verified before: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

TreeCalcs already assumes an instant proc every 45s, so it's basically taking this into account (the new information here is that it does in fact hug the 45s ICD quite closely, probably due to proccing from HoT's).

Anyway, point is the proc is pretty nice, but I don't see it outweighing the substantial amounts of regen that good trinkets can give.
Yeah, I blame perusing the logs at 1am for not thinking to look at our respective activity percentages for the whole night. On actual boss fights, the proc numbers are much similar. I knew it had the 45 second icd, just didn't register in my fatigue addled brain. Sorry for the dumb post.

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Old 07/15/11, 8:02 PM   #72
Seleyzor
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Tauren Druid
 
Korgath
First of all this is a question about 10 man raiding.


Today after getting a few upgrade on my druid I noticed that I could reach the 2004 haste cap without having to downgrade any item or to sacrifice int gem for haste. So I ended up doing it and prettymuch converted 1100 mastery into 1100 haste.

I was sitting at 916 haste before this change just for the xtra rejuv tick and then I was reforging everything to Mastery and it was working fairly well specially since the new buff to druid mastery

I haven't had the chance to test the 2004 haste cap in a raid yet as our next raid is Sunday but I was wondering if any other druid out there actually tested it in a 10 man environement.


NOTE: I do not have shard of woe for the 2032 haste cap for xtra rejuv tick since we are focusing on FL Heroic and with 9 hours of raiding per week we won't have much time to go back to BoT. So I am unlikely to get that unless Kluian wants to sell it to me for 150k

Here is my armory Seleyzor @ Korgath - Game - World of Warcraft

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Old 07/15/11, 10:30 PM   #73
Demes
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Originally Posted by Seleyzor View Post
First of all this is a question about 10 man raiding.


Today after getting a few upgrade on my druid I noticed that I could reach the 2004 haste cap without having to downgrade any item or to sacrifice int gem for haste. So I ended up doing it and prettymuch converted 1100 mastery into 1100 haste.

I was sitting at 916 haste before this change just for the xtra rejuv tick and then I was reforging everything to Mastery and it was working fairly well specially since the new buff to druid mastery

I haven't had the chance to test the 2004 haste cap in a raid yet as our next raid is Sunday but I was wondering if any other druid out there actually tested it in a 10 man environement.


NOTE: I do not have shard of woe for the 2032 haste cap for xtra rejuv tick since we are focusing on FL Heroic and with 9 hours of raiding per week we won't have much time to go back to BoT. So I am unlikely to get that unless Kluian wants to sell it to me for 150k

Here is my armory Seleyzor @ Korgath - Game - World of Warcraft
Your spec seems a bit odd, having 32 points in resto and one in genesis, but still reforging to spirit in gear. Wouldn't it be better to spec 8/2/31, and in case of having excess mana, reforge spirit to mastery and haste. Also, you want to have 917 or 2005 haste at least, due to rounding issues. The 2005 haste cap is very powerful both in 25 and 10 man enviroment, and you should definetly go for it. The added haste also adds some precious reaction time to saving those lives which is something you cant see from HPS meters.

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Old 07/16/11, 9:43 AM   #74
Playered
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Originally Posted by Demes View Post
Wouldn't it be better to spec 8/2/31, and in case of having excess mana, reforge spirit to mastery and haste.
That's a good point now with the improved Mastery which can be assumed as a flat healing %. Maxing the mana talents (especially with a new tier bringing more Intellect to boost Furor) and trimming down as much Spirit in to Mastery (or Crit) should provide a much better healing boost than taking Genesis.

Would be interesting to work out how much of a gain we would actually get from switching one point of Genesis for Furor, reducing an equal amount of regen from Spirit and spending that in Mastery.

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Old 07/18/11, 4:07 AM   #75
Oncelot
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Saurfang
Hi minor correction, Flickering Shoulderpads drops from Shannox and not Beth'tilac; otherwise, thanks )

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