Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 30

Miraclous · 07/28/12, 5:24 AM

Originally Posted by CausalXXLinkXx

Cool, so druids will get their double dot ability back then? Sunfire instead of insect swarm I assume.

Indeed, though I'm having to get used to it, because you didn't have to face your target with IS whereas you ofcourse do with MF/SnF

Ereshmilor · 07/28/12, 5:36 AM

Originally Posted by nephyron

Yes, when you choose balance as your specialization you learn Sunfire as a stanalone spell and not a morph of moonfire.

Seeing how much they nerfed the proc rate of Starsurge i bet they expect balance druids to have a lot of crit now

With now two DoTs, Shooting Stars is still buffed.

But I don't like to have two DoTs. It means single target damage will be nerfed, so it's cata all over again.

Zantaz · 07/28/12, 7:10 AM

I'm guessing Moonfire and Sunfire being separate spells is to also an attempt to make Lunar Shower a more viable option for dealing damage on the move; since one of them won't be empowered by Eclipse, it gives us the ability to spam the 'weaker' one without too much of a loss.

lissanna · 07/28/12, 8:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ereshmilor

With now two DoTs, Shooting Stars is still buffed.

But I don't like to have two DoTs. It means single target damage will be nerfed, so it's cata all over again.

It's not quite as bad as CATA because part of the problem with CATA was how much of our DPS was tied into being in a Solar Eclipse for AOE (with our DOTs as our primary AOE tools) and never having any damage cooldowns we could pop for things like heroic spine. In addition, the Eclipse cycle was slow so that you'd end up with a lot of time outside of Eclipse when you hit like a wet noodle and that encouraged Eclipse camping.

They largely fix the biggest problems: giving us multiple cooldowns, giving Lunar a greater benefit for both single-target and AOE damage (removal of insect swarm balances the DOT damage between Eclipses and Lunar version of hurricane added), trying to make hurricane a more useful tool overall, and shortening the time between Eclipse cycles (new Euphoria).

That set of fixes prevents the Cata problems from ever happening again because we instantly become easier to balance versus other classes.

thedopefishlives · 07/28/12, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by lissanna

It's not quite as bad as CATA because part of the problem with CATA was how much of our DPS was tied into being in a Solar Eclipse for AOE (with our DOTs as our primary AOE tools) and never having any damage cooldowns we could pop for things like heroic spine. In addition, the Eclipse cycle was slow so that you'd end up with a lot of time outside of Eclipse when you hit like a wet noodle and that encouraged Eclipse camping.

They largely fix the biggest problems: giving us multiple cooldowns, giving Lunar a greater benefit for both single-target and AOE damage (removal of insect swarm balances the DOT damage between Eclipses and Lunar version of hurricane added), trying to make hurricane a more useful tool overall, and shortening the time between Eclipse cycles (new Euphoria).

That set of fixes prevents the Cata problems from ever happening again because we instantly become easier to balance versus other classes.

The big takeaway here is the shortening of time between Eclipses. This is one of the key problems with Balance DPS both in PvE and PvP - because our mastery only affects our Eclipse damage, that's one whole secondary stat that is useless when not in an Eclipse state, which, in a stand-and-nuke cycle, was almost more often than being in one in the Cataclysm system. In MoP, you are most definitely going to be in Eclipse more often than not. Also, contrary to my prior assertion, Crit and Mastery are still very close to each other. There also appears to be a large haste breakpoint near 11% haste, but I'm not 100% sold on my haste stat graph yet.

One thing I would like to see is how much punch Lunar Shower will really give us for movement DPS. That is still one of the overhanging issues that affects real-world performance as well as PvP viability.

Starfox · 07/28/12, 10:45 AM

Only thing missing is Moonfire/Sunfire always being available as seperate spells, which also needs to be accounted for in the actions list.

SimulationCraft 503-3 for World of Warcraft 5.0.4 Live (build level 15913)

Simulating... ( iterations=9999, max_time=450, vary_combat_length=0.20, optimal_raid=1, fight_style=Patchwerk )


*** Beta Release ***
 * Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta!
 * Not All classes are yet supported.
 * Some class models still need tweaking.
 * Some class action lists need tweaking.
 * Some class BiS gear setups need tweaking.
 * Some trinkets not yet implemented.
 * Constructive feedback regarding our output will shorten the Beta phase dramatically.
 * Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta!


DPS Ranking:
  63717 100.0%  Raid
  63717  100.0%  Druid_Balance_T13H

HPS Ranking:
      0 100.0%  Raid

Player: Druid_Balance_T13H troll druid balance 85
  DPS: 63716.6  DPS-Error=61.5/0.1% HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0% DPS-Range=11339/17.8%  DPS-Convergence=70.8%  DPR=39.7  RPS-Out=1600.5 RPS-In=1577.5  Resource=(mana) Waiting=0.0 ApM=45.2
  Origin: http://www.wowhead.com/profile=34566555
  Talents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#Ua!...0..
  Core Stats:  strength=123|117(20)  agility=117|111(20)  stamina=8914|8014(7908)  intellect=7910|7143(6991)  spirit=1537|1537(1363)  mastery=23.98|19.00(1972)  health=167821|155221  mana=100000|100000
  Spell Stats:  power=11754|9919(2786)  hit=15.15%|15.15%(189)  crit=21.85%|15.67%(504)  haste=26.60%|20.57%(2634)  mp5=2000|2000(0)
  Attack Stats  power=405|362(0)  hit=15.15%|15.15%(189)  crit=15.65%|10.64%(504)  expertise=0.00%/0.00%|0.00%/0.00%(0)  haste=20.57%|20.57%(2634)  speed=32.63%|20.57%(2634)
  Defense Stats:  armor=12803|12803(12803) miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.48%|0.46%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
  Priorities (actions.precombat):
    flask,type=draconic_mind/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast
    mark_of_the_wild,if=!aura.str_agi_int.up/moonkin_form/snapshot_stats
    volcanic_potion
  Priorities:
    volcanic_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40|buff.celestial_alignment.up
    starfall,if=!buff.starfall.up/treants,if=talent.force_of_nature.enabled/berserking
    wild_mushroom_detonate,moving=0,if=buff.wild_mushroom.stack>0&buff.solar_eclipse.up
    incarnation,if=talent.incarnation.enabled&(buff.lunar_eclipse.up|buff.solar_eclipse.up)
    celestial_alignment,if=((eclipse_dir=-1&eclipse<=0)|(eclipse_dir=1&eclipse>=0))&(buff.chosen_of_elune.up|!talent.incarnation.enabled)
    moonfire,if=buff.celestial_alignment.up&(!dot.sunfire.ticking|!dot.moonfire.ticking)
    sunfire,if=buff.solar_eclipse.up&!dot.sunfire.ticking
    moonfire,if=buff.lunar_eclipse.up&!dot.moonfire.ticking
    starsurge,if=buff.solar_eclipse.up|buff.lunar_eclipse.up/innervate,if=mana.pct<20
    starsurge,if=(eclipse_dir=1&eclipse<30)|(eclipse_dir=-1&eclipse>-30)
    starfire,if=eclipse_dir=1/wrath,if=eclipse_dir=-1/wrath
    moonfire,moving=1,if=!dot.sunfire.ticking
    sunfire,moving=1,if=!dot.moonfire.ticking
    wild_mushroom,moving=1,if=buff.wild_mushroom.stack<5
    starsurge,moving=1,if=buff.shooting_stars.react/moonfire,moving=1/sunfire,moving=1
  Actions:
    berserking              Count=  3.0|180.86sec  DPE=     0| 0%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=   0  Miss=0.00%
    moonfire                Count= 18.7|24.50sec  DPE=153415|10%  DPET=145259  DPR=  91.3  pDPS=6384  Miss=0.00%  Hit=8958|8638|14216  Crit=18510|17795|26781|21.2%  TickCount=264  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8251|7905|9399  CritTick=17024|16284|19361|21.1%  UpTime=73.3%
    moonfire_DTR            Count=  1.5|133.40sec  DPE=178900| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 584  Miss=0.00%  Hit=12988|12526|17035  Crit=26841|25803|30266|20.8%  TickCount=24  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8243|7905|9399  CritTick=17019|16284|19361|21.3%  UpTime=6.6%
    starfall                Count= 20.1|23.81sec  DPE=132712| 9%  DPET=125637  DPR=  20.4  pDPS=5912  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=198  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=10960|6252|13297  CritTick=22645|12879|27392|21.3%  UpTime=43.8%
    starfall_star_DTR       Count= 15.8|27.43sec  DPE= 13420| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 472  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=10960|6252|13297  CritTick=22733|12879|27392|20.9%
    starfire                Count= 96.2| 4.59sec  DPE= 69994|23%  DPET= 40343  DPR=  34.0  pDPS=14895  Miss=0.00%  Hit=57108|36417|77090  Crit=118293|75020|158805|21.1%
    starfire_DTR            Count=  7.6|51.65sec  DPE= 70100| 2%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1184  Miss=0.00%  Hit=57241|36417|77090  Crit=117966|75020|158805|21.2%
    starsurge               Count= 64.5| 6.93sec  DPE=105110|24%  DPET= 94653  DPR=  51.0  pDPS=15089  Miss=0.00%  Hit=86025|46691|98996  Crit=177558|96183|203932|21.2%
    starsurge_DTR           Count=  5.1|69.18sec  DPE= 95938| 2%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1100  Miss=0.00%  Hit=78689|46691|98996  Crit=162648|96183|203932|20.9%
    sunfire                 Count= 17.9|25.49sec  DPE=160831|10%  DPET=183688  DPR=  89.4  pDPS=6398  Miss=0.00%  Hit=7329|   0|13552  Crit=14819|    0|27916|21.2%  TickCount=270  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8235|7905|9399  CritTick=16982|16284|19361|21.0%  UpTime=75.2%
    sunfire_DTR             Count=  1.2|131.65sec  DPE=184124| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 485  Miss=0.00%  Hit=12782|12526|14692  Crit=26351|25803|29286|20.2%  TickCount=20  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8078|7905|9399  CritTick=16642|16284|19361|21.0%  UpTime=5.8%
    wild_mushroom_detonate  Count=  1.0| 1.#Rsec  DPE= 72592| 0%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 164  Miss=0.00%  Hit=58632|56430|59354  Crit=120919|116247|122269|22.4%
    wrath                   Count=117.8| 3.79sec  DPE= 39417|16%  DPET= 29706  DPR=  23.5  pDPS=10299  Miss=0.00%  Hit=32326|21102|44726  Crit=66581|43470|92136|21.0%
    wrath_DTR               Count=  9.3|42.63sec  DPE= 36312| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 751  Miss=0.00%  Hit=29817|21102|44726  Crit=61382|43470|92136|20.9%
  Constant Buffs: attack_haste/attack_power_multiplier/critical_strike/honor_among_thieves/mastery/moonkin_form/spell_haste
  Constant Buffs: spell_power_multiplier/stamina/str_agi_int
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserking                     : start=3.0  refresh=0.0   interval=180.9 trigger=180.9 uptime= 7%  benefit= 8%
    bloodlust                      : start=1.0  refresh=0.0   interval=  0.0 trigger=0.0   uptime= 9%  benefit=10%
    celestial_alignment            : start=2.9  refresh=0.0   interval=184.6 trigger=184.6 uptime= 9%
    innervate                      : start=0.1  refresh=0.0   interval=203.2 trigger=203.2 uptime= 0%
    insignia_of_the_corrupted_mind : start=4.3  refresh=0.0   interval=118.1 trigger=118.1 uptime=19%
    lightweave_embroidery_2        : start=7.3  refresh=0.0   interval= 65.8 trigger=65.8  uptime=24%
    lunar_eclipse                  : start=17.7 refresh=0.0   interval= 25.9 trigger=25.9  uptime=42%  benefit=81%
    lunar_shower                   : start=33.5 refresh=2.7   interval= 13.5 trigger=12.5  uptime=22%  benefit= 7%
    natures_grace                  : start=5.1  refresh=29.4  interval= 90.1 trigger=13.1  uptime=94%
    power_torrent                  : start=10.0 refresh=0.0   interval= 47.2 trigger=47.2  uptime=26%  benefit=27%
    shooting_stars                 : start=52.1 refresh=8.7   interval=  8.5 trigger=7.2   uptime=19%  benefit=80%
    solar_eclipse                  : start=18.1 refresh=0.0   interval= 24.9 trigger=24.9  uptime=39%  benefit=74%
    starfall                       : start=20.1 refresh=0.0   interval= 23.1 trigger=23.8  uptime=44%
    volcanic_potion                : start=2.0  refresh=0.0   interval=197.4 trigger=0.0   uptime=10%
    will_of_unbinding              : start=1.0  refresh=263.3 interval=  0.0 trigger=1.7   uptime=99%
  Procs:
      1.2 | 136.10sec : wrong_eclipse_wrath
      0.2 | 145.08sec : wrong_eclipse_starfire
  Gains:
      1625.6 : innervate (mana)
    178002.4 : mp5_regen (mana)  (overflow=1.5%)
    533479.9 : eclipse   (mana)  (overflow=55.9%)


 *** Targets *** 


Target: Fluffy_Pillow humanoid enemy unknown 88
  DPS: 0.0  DPS-Error=0.0/0.0% HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0% DPS-Range=0/0.0%  DPS-Convergence=0.0%
  Core Stats:  strength=0|0(0)  agility=0|0(0)  stamina=0|0(0)  intellect=0|0(0)  spirit=0|0(0)  mastery=8.00|8.00(0)  health=0|34273147  mana=0|0
  Spell Stats:  power=0|0(0)  hit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  crit=-1.#J%|-1.#J%(0)  haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=0|0(0)  hit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  crit=-1.#J%|-1.#J%(0)  expertise=0.00%/0.00%|0.00%/0.00%(0)  haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)  speed=0.00%|0.00%(0)
  Defense Stats:  armor=14300|16250(0) miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=5.00%|5.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
  Priorities (actions.precombat):

  Priorities:
    snapshot_stats
  Actions:
  Constant Buffs: attack_haste/attack_power_multiplier/bleeding/critical_strike/honor_among_thieves/magic_vulnerability
  Constant Buffs: mastery/mortal_wounds/physical_vulnerability/ranged_vulnerability/slowed_casting/spell_haste
  Constant Buffs: spell_power_multiplier/stamina/str_agi_int/weakened_armor/weakened_blows

Waiting:
     0.0% : Druid_Balance_T13H

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 47003226
  MaxEventQueue = 29
  TargetHealth  = 34273147
  SimSeconds    = 4520168
  CpuSeconds    = 25.362
  SpeedUp       = 178226

RNG global: Actual ( Confidence Interval ): Roll=0.500103( [ 0.499218, 0.500782] ) Range=nan Gauss=-0.000308( [ -0.000799, 0.000799] )

Stabbaren · 07/28/12, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Starfox

Only thing missing is Moonfire/Sunfire always being available as seperate spells, which also needs to be accounted for in the actions list.

SimulationCraft 503-3 for World of Warcraft 5.0.4 Live (build level 15913)

Simulating... ( iterations=9999, max_time=450, vary_combat_length=0.20, optimal_raid=1, fight_style=Patchwerk )


*** Beta Release ***
 * Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta!
 * Not All classes are yet supported.
 * Some class models still need tweaking.
 * Some class action lists need tweaking.
 * Some class BiS gear setups need tweaking.
 * Some trinkets not yet implemented.
 * Constructive feedback regarding our output will shorten the Beta phase dramatically.
 * Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta! Beta!


DPS Ranking:
  63717 100.0%  Raid
  63717  100.0%  Druid_Balance_T13H

HPS Ranking:
      0 100.0%  Raid

Player: Druid_Balance_T13H troll druid balance 85
  DPS: 63716.6  DPS-Error=61.5/0.1% HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0% DPS-Range=11339/17.8%  DPS-Convergence=70.8%  DPR=39.7  RPS-Out=1600.5 RPS-In=1577.5  Resource=(mana) Waiting=0.0 ApM=45.2
  Origin: http://www.wowhead.com/profile=34566555
  Talents: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#Ua!...0..
  Core Stats:  strength=123|117(20)  agility=117|111(20)  stamina=8914|8014(7908)  intellect=7910|7143(6991)  spirit=1537|1537(1363)  mastery=23.98|19.00(1972)  health=167821|155221  mana=100000|100000
  Spell Stats:  power=11754|9919(2786)  hit=15.15%|15.15%(189)  crit=21.85%|15.67%(504)  haste=26.60%|20.57%(2634)  mp5=2000|2000(0)
  Attack Stats  power=405|362(0)  hit=15.15%|15.15%(189)  crit=15.65%|10.64%(504)  expertise=0.00%/0.00%|0.00%/0.00%(0)  haste=20.57%|20.57%(2634)  speed=32.63%|20.57%(2634)
  Defense Stats:  armor=12803|12803(12803) miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.48%|0.46%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
  Priorities (actions.precombat):
    flask,type=draconic_mind/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast
    mark_of_the_wild,if=!aura.str_agi_int.up/moonkin_form/snapshot_stats
    volcanic_potion
  Priorities:
    volcanic_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40|buff.celestial_alignment.up
    starfall,if=!buff.starfall.up/treants,if=talent.force_of_nature.enabled/berserking
    wild_mushroom_detonate,moving=0,if=buff.wild_mushroom.stack>0&buff.solar_eclipse.up
    incarnation,if=talent.incarnation.enabled&(buff.lunar_eclipse.up|buff.solar_eclipse.up)
    celestial_alignment,if=((eclipse_dir=-1&eclipse<=0)|(eclipse_dir=1&eclipse>=0))&(buff.chosen_of_elune.up|!talent.incarnation.enabled)
    moonfire,if=buff.celestial_alignment.up&(!dot.sunfire.ticking|!dot.moonfire.ticking)
    sunfire,if=buff.solar_eclipse.up&!dot.sunfire.ticking
    moonfire,if=buff.lunar_eclipse.up&!dot.moonfire.ticking
    starsurge,if=buff.solar_eclipse.up|buff.lunar_eclipse.up/innervate,if=mana.pct<20
    starsurge,if=(eclipse_dir=1&eclipse<30)|(eclipse_dir=-1&eclipse>-30)
    starfire,if=eclipse_dir=1/wrath,if=eclipse_dir=-1/wrath
    moonfire,moving=1,if=!dot.sunfire.ticking
    sunfire,moving=1,if=!dot.moonfire.ticking
    wild_mushroom,moving=1,if=buff.wild_mushroom.stack<5
    starsurge,moving=1,if=buff.shooting_stars.react/moonfire,moving=1/sunfire,moving=1
  Actions:
    berserking              Count=  3.0|180.86sec  DPE=     0| 0%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=   0  Miss=0.00%
    moonfire                Count= 18.7|24.50sec  DPE=153415|10%  DPET=145259  DPR=  91.3  pDPS=6384  Miss=0.00%  Hit=8958|8638|14216  Crit=18510|17795|26781|21.2%  TickCount=264  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8251|7905|9399  CritTick=17024|16284|19361|21.1%  UpTime=73.3%
    moonfire_DTR            Count=  1.5|133.40sec  DPE=178900| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 584  Miss=0.00%  Hit=12988|12526|17035  Crit=26841|25803|30266|20.8%  TickCount=24  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8243|7905|9399  CritTick=17019|16284|19361|21.3%  UpTime=6.6%
    starfall                Count= 20.1|23.81sec  DPE=132712| 9%  DPET=125637  DPR=  20.4  pDPS=5912  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=198  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=10960|6252|13297  CritTick=22645|12879|27392|21.3%  UpTime=43.8%
    starfall_star_DTR       Count= 15.8|27.43sec  DPE= 13420| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 472  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=10960|6252|13297  CritTick=22733|12879|27392|20.9%
    starfire                Count= 96.2| 4.59sec  DPE= 69994|23%  DPET= 40343  DPR=  34.0  pDPS=14895  Miss=0.00%  Hit=57108|36417|77090  Crit=118293|75020|158805|21.1%
    starfire_DTR            Count=  7.6|51.65sec  DPE= 70100| 2%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1184  Miss=0.00%  Hit=57241|36417|77090  Crit=117966|75020|158805|21.2%
    starsurge               Count= 64.5| 6.93sec  DPE=105110|24%  DPET= 94653  DPR=  51.0  pDPS=15089  Miss=0.00%  Hit=86025|46691|98996  Crit=177558|96183|203932|21.2%
    starsurge_DTR           Count=  5.1|69.18sec  DPE= 95938| 2%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1100  Miss=0.00%  Hit=78689|46691|98996  Crit=162648|96183|203932|20.9%
    sunfire                 Count= 17.9|25.49sec  DPE=160831|10%  DPET=183688  DPR=  89.4  pDPS=6398  Miss=0.00%  Hit=7329|   0|13552  Crit=14819|    0|27916|21.2%  TickCount=270  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8235|7905|9399  CritTick=16982|16284|19361|21.0%  UpTime=75.2%
    sunfire_DTR             Count=  1.2|131.65sec  DPE=184124| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 485  Miss=0.00%  Hit=12782|12526|14692  Crit=26351|25803|29286|20.2%  TickCount=20  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=8078|7905|9399  CritTick=16642|16284|19361|21.0%  UpTime=5.8%
    wild_mushroom_detonate  Count=  1.0| 1.#Rsec  DPE= 72592| 0%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 164  Miss=0.00%  Hit=58632|56430|59354  Crit=120919|116247|122269|22.4%
    wrath                   Count=117.8| 3.79sec  DPE= 39417|16%  DPET= 29706  DPR=  23.5  pDPS=10299  Miss=0.00%  Hit=32326|21102|44726  Crit=66581|43470|92136|21.0%
    wrath_DTR               Count=  9.3|42.63sec  DPE= 36312| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 751  Miss=0.00%  Hit=29817|21102|44726  Crit=61382|43470|92136|20.9%
  Constant Buffs: attack_haste/attack_power_multiplier/critical_strike/honor_among_thieves/mastery/moonkin_form/spell_haste
  Constant Buffs: spell_power_multiplier/stamina/str_agi_int
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserking                     : start=3.0  refresh=0.0   interval=180.9 trigger=180.9 uptime= 7%  benefit= 8%
    bloodlust                      : start=1.0  refresh=0.0   interval=  0.0 trigger=0.0   uptime= 9%  benefit=10%
    celestial_alignment            : start=2.9  refresh=0.0   interval=184.6 trigger=184.6 uptime= 9%
    innervate                      : start=0.1  refresh=0.0   interval=203.2 trigger=203.2 uptime= 0%
    insignia_of_the_corrupted_mind : start=4.3  refresh=0.0   interval=118.1 trigger=118.1 uptime=19%
    lightweave_embroidery_2        : start=7.3  refresh=0.0   interval= 65.8 trigger=65.8  uptime=24%
    lunar_eclipse                  : start=17.7 refresh=0.0   interval= 25.9 trigger=25.9  uptime=42%  benefit=81%
    lunar_shower                   : start=33.5 refresh=2.7   interval= 13.5 trigger=12.5  uptime=22%  benefit= 7%
    natures_grace                  : start=5.1  refresh=29.4  interval= 90.1 trigger=13.1  uptime=94%
    power_torrent                  : start=10.0 refresh=0.0   interval= 47.2 trigger=47.2  uptime=26%  benefit=27%
    shooting_stars                 : start=52.1 refresh=8.7   interval=  8.5 trigger=7.2   uptime=19%  benefit=80%
    solar_eclipse                  : start=18.1 refresh=0.0   interval= 24.9 trigger=24.9  uptime=39%  benefit=74%
    starfall                       : start=20.1 refresh=0.0   interval= 23.1 trigger=23.8  uptime=44%
    volcanic_potion                : start=2.0  refresh=0.0   interval=197.4 trigger=0.0   uptime=10%
    will_of_unbinding              : start=1.0  refresh=263.3 interval=  0.0 trigger=1.7   uptime=99%
  Procs:
      1.2 | 136.10sec : wrong_eclipse_wrath
      0.2 | 145.08sec : wrong_eclipse_starfire
  Gains:
      1625.6 : innervate (mana)
    178002.4 : mp5_regen (mana)  (overflow=1.5%)
    533479.9 : eclipse   (mana)  (overflow=55.9%)


 *** Targets *** 


Target: Fluffy_Pillow humanoid enemy unknown 88
  DPS: 0.0  DPS-Error=0.0/0.0% HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0% DPS-Range=0/0.0%  DPS-Convergence=0.0%
  Core Stats:  strength=0|0(0)  agility=0|0(0)  stamina=0|0(0)  intellect=0|0(0)  spirit=0|0(0)  mastery=8.00|8.00(0)  health=0|34273147  mana=0|0
  Spell Stats:  power=0|0(0)  hit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  crit=-1.#J%|-1.#J%(0)  haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=0|0(0)  hit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  crit=-1.#J%|-1.#J%(0)  expertise=0.00%/0.00%|0.00%/0.00%(0)  haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)  speed=0.00%|0.00%(0)
  Defense Stats:  armor=14300|16250(0) miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=5.00%|5.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
  Priorities (actions.precombat):

  Priorities:
    snapshot_stats
  Actions:
  Constant Buffs: attack_haste/attack_power_multiplier/bleeding/critical_strike/honor_among_thieves/magic_vulnerability
  Constant Buffs: mastery/mortal_wounds/physical_vulnerability/ranged_vulnerability/slowed_casting/spell_haste
  Constant Buffs: spell_power_multiplier/stamina/str_agi_int/weakened_armor/weakened_blows

Waiting:
     0.0% : Druid_Balance_T13H

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 47003226
  MaxEventQueue = 29
  TargetHealth  = 34273147
  SimSeconds    = 4520168
  CpuSeconds    = 25.362
  SpeedUp       = 178226

RNG global: Actual ( Confidence Interval ): Roll=0.500103( [ 0.499218, 0.500782] ) Range=nan Gauss=-0.000308( [ -0.000799, 0.000799] )

If I may ask to get some clarification, did you sim it with having both moonfire/sunfire up close to 100%? (Like MF+IS on current live servers) or just simply used MF/SF respectivly to your current eclipse?

Angelol · 07/29/12, 6:14 AM

Did anybody calculate Haste Breakpoints yet?
And which 2nd Stat is better now? Mastery or Haste?
The Eclipse Uptime is much higher now - so I guess is Mastery?

And if I'm not wrong... for a further Moonfire Tick, I need 8080 Haste Rating :S Cant get that hugh amount.

//EDIT: Nvm >.< FailCalculated myself... I need 4717 Haste Rating + 5% Haste Aura for 11 Ticks (16,65% Haste)
and for 12 Ticks 27,75% Haste (9211 Rating)
and for 13 Ticks 38,94% Haste (13737 Rating)

Erdluf · 07/29/12, 9:22 AM

The more important breakpoints (at least for single target) will include the 15% haste buff from eclipse. At 90:

11 ticks baseline
12 ticks at 2466
13 ticks at 6402
14 ticks at 10289

Erdluf · 07/30/12, 3:19 PM

A little theorycraft on Eclipse states and AoE. Looking just at SP scaling (all of the AoE spells have fairly low base damage, scaling numbers from WoWHead), Here are AoE relative dps numbers for a ten-second, eight-target fight, using 30% total haste, and a 70% mastery.

The rotation is Starfall+WM Detonate+10s of Hurricane/Astral Storm. Placing the mushrooms (and the first second of the Starfalll GCD) are pre-AoE. That time is not counted towards the DPS total.

All numbers scaled so that Solar Wrath-Spam = 100 DPS

Eclipse:	None	Lunar	Solar	CA	CA+Incarnation
DPS:	346	475	549	588	735

A similar table for multidotting (Lunar Shower*3, targets live for six ticks):

DoT:	No Eclipse	MF+SuF	Eclipsed DoT only	CA	CA+Incarnation
DPS:	198	267	336	577	721

Edit: Posts below indicate that Incarnation no longer interacts with CA.

fountaiin · 07/30/12, 9:16 PM

So I've been neglecting Beta until this week. Is there a recognized opener right now?

I've been just starting Lunar, precasting starsurge, starfall, then popping all three big cooldowns, then just moonfire, shroom, starfire spam, and starfall again after the first one ends.

I suppose there's something to be had with starting pre-lunar and maybe starfalling twice then popping CA/NV/Incarn, if you're not losing out on an extra set of your 3 minute cooldowns. Then again you would be out of lunar before the first starfall ends anyways.

Anyone have anything better I'm missing?

Starfox · 07/30/12, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Erdluf

All numbers scaled so that Solar Wrath-Spam = 100 DPS

Eclipse:	None	Lunar	Solar	CA	CA+Incarnation
DPS:	346	475	549	588	735

Wow, I am an idiot and had incarnation wrong for balance all this time >:O

BUG(?): Incarnation bonus WON'T apply durint CA, wtf?

Zojun · 07/30/12, 11:02 PM

Apparently, CA has changed from giving both Eclipse buffs to the player, to just buffing the spells. As such, Incarnation has no interaction with CA from the latest patch. Something to watch for with the above things.

Edit: Confirmed. Popping Incarnation with CA provides no additional damage boost. (Intended since Eclipse uptime will be greater given the Euphoria change?)

Shakkenbake · 07/31/12, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Zojun

Apparently, CA has changed from giving both Eclipse buffs to the player, to just buffing the spells. As such, Incarnation has no interaction with CA from the latest patch. Something to watch for with the above things.

Edit: Confirmed. Popping Incarnation with CA provides no additional damage boost. (Intended since Eclipse uptime will be greater given the Euphoria change?)

It was implemented this way for quite some time, it wasn't a change in the latest build.

Edit: But as an interesting fact, the last uneclisped wrath/starfire of a cycle will benefit from the 25% damage, as you are granted energy and thus the eclipse before the spell lands. For some reason starsurge is unaffected by this. Luckily the final eclipsed spells of a cycle still benefit from the 25% damage and eclipse still.

Erdluf · 07/31/12, 6:21 AM

Does CA still provide the other Eclipse benefits (uses Mastery from gear, Nature's Grace, Starfall, SotF energy on exit)?