Erm can any1 clarify what the new scaling is on wrath because on this beta build it hits for nothing, 30k hit and 70k crits with 50% eclipse dmg compared to 120-150k crits before and 50-70k hits, seems to be either a bug or wrath got a really solid nerf with the scaling change.

Also currently dots hit less than live and with the 14s dot timer it turns out to be quite a hassle to refresh them.

It's probably worth changing alchemy to Engineering on the profiles too now that the glove addon is working. Should be around 1800 DPS, and it appears other profiles are min/maxing in this kind of way. We can probably also squeeze a little more out of the gear setups if anyone wants to have a look.

Also, are we moving towards Solar at the beginning, starting from zero energy? Wouldn't it make more sense to start 1 cast prior to Lunar, earning us an extra Starfall (as well as better opening burst)?

Finally, is the cooldown on Starsurge working properly? On simulationcraft.org, the example action list has us casting Wrath followed by Starsurge 3 times in a row. Could just be Shooting Stars procs, but thought it was worth a check.

[edit] Mushroom detonation appears to be firing prior to Incarnation usage too, rather than after to get the bonus damage. We probably also want to "precharge" DoC rather than casting it once we're in combat for the initial DoTs. The whole opening like it could use a rework.[/edit]

The proc chance was still 50%, I used the base_value/100 in the "Trigger Spell"-effect instead of the proc_chance() of the overall spell.
Both used to evaluate to 50%, never noticed that only the chance on the spell changed, but not the value in the effect. :S
If you want to fix it for your profile put the following line at the top, before any profile specific stuff is done!

A new build is going up, with Wrath and Starfire getting fairly meaty damage upgrades (~11% I think?). Should shore up our single target DPS fairly well.

Just about every DPS class got buffed, so where we were in comparison to other DPS (second to last I think?) shouldn't change that much.

does it matter that much if balance druids are last or second to last if everyone is roughly 1 to 2% apart? Gear and skill not to mention encounter design will play a much MUCH larger role than the marginal perceived difference in pre-set dps.

To be honest as long as we are within 1 or 2% at most from other dps specs, it should be fine. Although i'd rather be on the higher end or at most 0.5% margin difference, but is that even possible to tune? Certain specs would be stronger on certain fights.. some better at AoE some better with movement etc.


Where do we stand anyway? What evidence is showing we are at the bottom or second to last? Who is last? How are we con movement compared to other casters? and how are we on AoE? I don't mind being 1 to 2% behind overall if i were quite strong relatively for movement or AoE for example.

We still don't know because of the difficulty of class balance testing.

Not really, our aoe is very low right now with our dots being lowered to try and make our single target stronger but buffs are buffs and a step in the right direction to raise our single target dps.

need another few buffs to take us up by like 15k dps as feral is currentky 25k ahead now

Is anyone putting up "good" numbers on the new dummies? I'm having a very hard breaking 50k in various builds (over 7 mins).

Going into more detail: My best amounts were up to 51k with a NV+Inc combo. I was using the full PvP set that GC recommended. All the other combos I tried were very miserable at that gear level. I focused on getting hit cap by reforging haste into hit.

Does anyone know what the base line Haste % we want to aim for for an extra Dot Tick. Currently I'm getting 9 ticks from MF/SF during Nature's Grace at 10.2% Haste. Am I close enough to a new tick to actually reforge slightly different?

I'm also concerned about being a Night Elf. Right now a Troll Moonkin using the NV+Inc combo is going to blast a NE Moonkin out of the water (yes this is a small exaggeration). I don't want to be balanced around the Troll racial.

My DK friend is doing 65k w/o any effort. I'm a little worried. : /

I hope that is not what we are being done. Balanced about the troll racial, that will suck since my druids are Night elf and Tauren. Was your DK friend also in Pvp gear? was that pre the latest patch btw? Since we had a bit more of a buff than most other dps specs.

As for our movement, I was happy when Shooting stars got a buff and then sunfire became a separate spell as well, this was a buff too movement damage. I was a bit concerned when they nerfed the initial shooting star buff knowing that they were yet to do the numbers nerf, I do hope they will undo that to give it a small boost.

I still imagine our aoe should be stronger than most. with starfall and WM to add to hurricane...but I really do hope we can use mushrooms while channeling hurricane/astral storm and even while doing timed cast. I think it would really help the spell and our aoe which I am sure is better than shadow priests, but maybe not quite as good as destro/demo/ele/fire or arcane.

I'll look into that, simcraft has balance right at the bottom. Don't think Alchemy+Berserking can account for that.
Feral is one of the strongest at the test dummies, so he should beat you alwasy