Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 38

Fleuria · 08/17/12, 7:11 AM

Simming that rotation might increase dps.

did 64kdps over 50mil with crit and haste as main reforges, little less with crit/mastery did this 2/3x all came out around 64kish but apparenlty now you get all buffs and debuffs.

Stommped · 08/17/12, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Fleuria

Simming that rotation might increase dps.

did 64kdps over 50mil with crit and haste as main reforges, little less with crit/mastery did this 2/3x all came out around 64kish but apparenlty now you get all buffs and debuffs.

64 is pretty good. What spec were you using and one or two dots per eclipse?

Miraclous · 08/17/12, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Fleuria

Simming that rotation might increase dps.

did 64kdps over 50mil with crit and haste as main reforges, little less with crit/mastery did this 2/3x all came out around 64kish but apparenlty now you get all buffs and debuffs.

I'm not pulling anywhere near 64K dps sustained.
Are you using gems/enchants/bloodlust or doing something else significantly different from the rotation I described?

Fleuria · 08/17/12, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Miraclous

I'm not pulling anywhere near 64K dps sustained.
Are you using gems/enchants/bloodlust or doing something else significantly different from the rotation I described?

I have gems and enchants as its with the char I used to raid on but it only has 40 int gems, and cata enchants but no blood lust, I did what you said I also positioned myself so my starfall wouldn't hit other targets but my burst was no where near as good as yours but I sustained quite a bit higher dps, I did keep my starsurge procs for eclipse if it was with in 1/2 casts.

♦ Tecton · 08/17/12, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by Fleuria

I have gems and enchants as its with the char I used to raid on but it only has 40 int gems, and cata enchants but no blood lust, I did what you said I also positioned myself so my starfall wouldn't hit other targets but my burst was no where near as good as yours but I sustained quite a bit higher dps, I did keep my starsurge procs for eclipse if it was with in 1/2 casts.

I think most people are doing as GC requested with their dummy testing (i.e. equipping unenchanted/ungemmed PvP gear), so you having slightly higher values with better gear would make sense.

Metroid · 08/17/12, 1:47 PM

For my dots, should I always keep up MF/SnF or should I rotate b/t the two depending on the Eclipse im in(aka MF only in Lunar and SnF in Solar only)?

What is the new stat priority for moonkins? [Hit/Spirit] > Crit> Haste> Mastery; [Hit/Spirit] > Haste > Crit > Mastery; Or the same priority as it is in Live now?

what [talent] combo is the highest parsing right now? Inc/NV or Inc/DoC

And is multi-dotting everything still a viable dps strat for AoE fights with the DoT nerfs? or should i just spam hurricane/astral storm?

Narwhal6 · 08/17/12, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by Miraclous

I pulled 57k in the build before our SF and Wrath got their 12% buffs, but our feral druid beat me, not in this log, even without any reforging (and thus being way under hit cap etc).

Here's the discription how I did it and a log if you're interested:

← Click Here

You're still a Troll though. Using a CD stacking build + Beserking on top of that is going to be very...very strong. You're basically getting 2-3 more casts of spells that have Inc, NV, and a Trinket active which completely out classes any NE or Tauren Druid. I'm also not understanding your parse because your spells were hitting a lot harder than mine.

Fleuria · 08/17/12, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tecton

I think most people are doing as GC requested with their dummy testing (i.e. equipping unenchanted/ungemmed PvP gear), so you having slightly higher values with better gear would make sense.

I really didn't have higher stats than you but yah it probably adds 1-2k dps max

but as the above poster stated being troll with cd's really does artificially increase dps, so classes like ne/tauren/worgen are going to be so much lower which is quite a problem if they are balancing specs around the best class combo's

BioFreak · 08/17/12, 3:01 PM

I did a few tests earlier and thought I'd post the results in here. Am an EU boomkin so I can't post / contribute to the US thread. If someone feels like collating the info and posting it in that thread, feel free.

NV + INC
No gems / enchants / reforges.
Resto Head + Shoulders + 3 set Boomkin.
SP: 19419
Haste: 5655 (18.97)
Hit: 3452 (10.15%)
Crit: 1466 (15.1%)
Mastery: 4692 (29.66%)

DPS: 48 479

Cata gems + Mop enchants + PT on weapon and lightweave on cloak and reforged for spirit.
5 pc boomkin
SP: 20825
Haste: 5737 (19.17)
Hit: 4679 (13.76%)
Crit: 944 (14.73%)
Mastery: 4615 (29.42%)

DPS: 58 550

not sure what to make of it tbh... Would love some premade 90's with T14 gear to see how it really pans out.

Lynarii · 08/17/12, 7:44 PM

How big a difference does the Troll racial make in the various builds now that numbers are settling down a bit? Are we actually talking about a large enough gap to affect the balance of the class, or is troll vs tauren/NE going to be absorbed by player skill in all but the top of the top end?

Basically, I'm wondering if we have hard numbers to say whether or not this one racial is skewing things to a degree that needs looking at.

Zenbu · 08/17/12, 7:48 PM

I was getting 62-65k tests yesterday, but I was using gems/enchants and I forged hit 15%> haste (6000 something)> mastery (3000) > crit (1500) and was a troll with Inc/NV build. So again the numbers were probably a bit scewed using the beserking racial and gems/enchants. What is our stat priority now btw on reforging? If I see a faction change up again i'll switch to worgen and try to get some numbers from there too without beserking.

Narwhal6 · 08/17/12, 8:02 PM

If you want to try measuring your DPS to what we should be balanced to, play Tauren or NE. Do not go Worgen/Troll.

As I see it: Int > Spell Hit to 15% > Crit > Haste = Mastery (There's a Haste cap that is supposedly easy to reach and then Mastery and Haste are Equal after that pretty much). Being that every time we Crit we get a another dot tick, reaching for super high haste caps aren't as important as just getting crits.

The racial is a big deal. If you take players of equal skill, the Trolls will always be ahead while the NV/Inc build is the best.

Qaajn · 08/17/12, 8:27 PM

Am I the only one concerned that SotF+HotW/DoC doesn't sim highest? I was of the impression that passive increases should slightly beat out on cooldowns for sustained damage, while the later will naturally have an edge when you can stack with temporary encounter damage boosts or when things need to die now. I included DoC as it is act like a passive increase, but take more skill to use then HotW.

Zenbu · 08/17/12, 8:54 PM

NV + INC
Night Elf (pvp gear resto/balance hybrid)

SP: 24,101
Haste: 5932 (19.66%)
Hit: 5,115 (15.04%)
Crit: 165 (13.22%)
Mastery: 4898 (30.31%)

DPS: 62,665.2

Thats with some MoP green gems/simple enchants and a bit of reforging. But if crit is higher on the scale maybe i should reforge to crit and pick up the other pvp items, I did a mix of balance/resto to try to avoid crit like we do on live, maybe i should go back and pick up alternat peices. I also was using DS trinkets WoU and heroic IotCM cause most of the other trinkets I've seen are kinda meh. . .

Rotation was pretty simple, as I went into lunar, poped Inc and NV starfall, moonfire, then spammed starfire/starsurge till i hit 0 used CA, Starfall, Moonfire, to refreash both dots, spamed starfire/starsurge then refreashed dots at 1 second left on CA with a moonfire then back to the normal rotation.

Zenbu · 08/17/12, 10:12 PM

Hmmmmm another round of nerfs seems to be comming to the ptr, guess I'll wait on testing till after they hit.