Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 39

Hoedown · 08/17/12, 10:15 PM

I really hope that's not another set of nerfs. Some classes got buffs. Not sure where they are going with this. 5.0.4 is due in a week and a half and these things are still fluctuating wildly

Starting to feel a little brow-beat here.

Corren · 08/17/12, 10:52 PM

You might want to remember that when 4.0 was released, a lot of stuff had yet to be done on the different classes, with distants way ahead in terms of damage dealing. No wonder they end the pvp season at this moment. There will be a lot to do in 5.0 as well, don't act surprised when it's live

lissanna · 08/17/12, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Zenbu

I was getting 62-65k tests yesterday, but I was using gems/enchants and I forged hit 15%> haste (6000 something)> mastery (3000) > crit (1500) and was a troll with Inc/NV build. So again the numbers were probably a bit scewed using the beserking racial and gems/enchants. What is our stat priority now btw on reforging? If I see a faction change up again i'll switch to worgen and try to get some numbers from there too without beserking.

Enchants and gems make a substantial impact to testing numbers. So, I'm not entirely surprised that you are getting higher numbers when you have enhancements on your gear. We are seeing a pretty large jump in damage numbers overall with increasing tiers of gear (from pre-raid to heroic gear) in the testing.

Narwhal6 · 08/18/12, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Zenbu

NV + INC
Night Elf (pvp gear resto/balance hybrid)

SP: 24,101
Haste: 5932 (19.66%)
Hit: 5,115 (15.04%)
Crit: 165 (13.22%)
Mastery: 4898 (30.31%)

DPS: 62,665.2

Thats with some MoP green gems/simple enchants and a bit of reforging. But if crit is higher on the scale maybe i should reforge to crit and pick up the other pvp items, I did a mix of balance/resto to try to avoid crit like we do on live, maybe i should go back and pick up alternat peices. I also was using DS trinkets WoU and heroic IotCM cause most of the other trinkets I've seen are kinda meh. . .

Rotation was pretty simple, as I went into lunar, poped Inc and NV starfall, moonfire, then spammed starfire/starsurge till i hit 0 used CA, Starfall, Moonfire, to refreash both dots, spamed starfire/starsurge then refreashed dots at 1 second left on CA with a moonfire then back to the normal rotation.

Do you have a log and a list of Profession/Enchant/and Gems you were using? I just don't believe you unless you were using a lot of Enchants/Gems/Profession bonus.

Zenbu · 08/18/12, 1:22 AM

Didn't have a log, just used recount and attacked a dummy up on the aldor tier from 50m to zero. I had JC/Enchanting bonuses active (IE 2 gems and 2 rings enchanted) but dosen't really make a diffrence atm, just got another 8% nerf across the board so my numbers don't really matter anymore lol.

Druid (Forums)

Balance

Moonfire damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Starfall damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Wrath damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Starfire damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Starsurge damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Sunfire damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.

♦ Tecton · 08/18/12, 2:52 AM

It's also worth noting that Engineering's benefit got fixed down to where other profs are.

Angelol · 08/18/12, 5:50 AM

Originally Posted by Zenbu

Didn't have a log, just used recount and attacked a dummy up on the aldor tier from 50m to zero. I had JC/Enchanting bonuses active (IE 2 gems and 2 rings enchanted) but dosen't really make a diffrence atm, just got another 8% nerf across the board so my numbers don't really matter anymore lol.

Druid (Forums)

Balance

Moonfire damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Starfall damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Wrath damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Starfire damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Starsurge damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.
Sunfire damage and SP scaling reduced by 8%.

I srsly don't understand what Blizzards Class Designer are doing with balance druid..^^
Currently moonkin is good for warming the bench and laying some eggs.

Our DPS was one of the lowest, but we still get nerfed

Its about 90k DPS HC Gear now (?)
And and 48k DPS @Raid Dummy (?) if I didnt calculate wrong

Fleuria · 08/18/12, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by Zenbu

Hmmmmm another round of nerfs seems to be comming to the ptr, guess I'll wait on testing till after they hit.

Interesting to see the new dmg output on beta later today.

Post on US forums sums the problems up pretty well, I wouldn't mind being the worse single target dmg if I could be the best aoe class but they've both gone currently.

Any chance of find out the dps difference with out beserking racial compared to that of say worgen.

Starfox · 08/18/12, 10:55 AM

I manage to get druid to 50k dps in raid dummy sims.

2pc T14 also did apply the +20% to starfall at the wrong spell, derp

Fleuria · 08/18/12, 12:47 PM

Other owl in my guild got this and during beta we were always roughly 1k with in each other.

Single target;
52 479 Dps 41million damage

Damage breakdown aproximatly:
Starfire: 29%
Starsurge: 18%
Wrath: 17%
Sunfire: 12%
Moonfire: 12%
Starfall: 10%
Mushrooms: 0,3%

Has simcraft been updated with the new changes? I noticed we went slightly up but I guess this was due to the fix with starfall dmg.

Starfox · 08/18/12, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by Fleuria

Other owl in my guild got this and during beta we were always roughly 1k with in each other.

Single target;
52 479 Dps 41million damage

Damage breakdown aproximatly:
Starfire: 29%
Starsurge: 18%
Wrath: 17%
Sunfire: 12%
Moonfire: 12%
Starfall: 10%
Mushrooms: 0,3%

Has simcraft been updated with the new changes? I noticed we went slightly up but I guess this was due to the fix with starfall dmg.

I gave the dummy profile a action list tweak and switched it to Inc+NV. It recasts the eclipse dot as late as possible, after the spell that puts you out of eclipse (there is a minimal delay ingame when eclipse fades that allows you to queue an instant that still benefits!), the use-trinket is only used when either eclipse is up. No reforging done though.
50k was the best I could come up while working on the action list.

Damage breaking down of the dummy profile in simcraft:

moonfire  13.7%
starfall   9.9%
starfire  29.2%
starsurge 14.3%
sunfire   13.9%
mushroom   0.2%
wrath     18.8%

T14H is back >100k with the fix for the 2pc bonus.

Fleuria · 08/18/12, 1:28 PM

We were waiting for the on use trinkets to line them up with CA seemed to be more of a dps increase than using them on cd in an eclipse.

As far as a damage break down goes for a sim is pretty much bang on perfect and he had reforged to at least hit cap maybe worth trying it with hit cap and no other reforges, maybe worth adding these 2 changes and see if it increases the simmed dummy deeps.

♦ Tecton · 08/18/12, 7:52 PM

Forcing the profile on the SVN (compiled the client from the SVN too) to start in Lunar pushes the DPS up a bit. That would be higher, I think, if setting Eclipse energy to -75 worked properly. As things stand, it tries to cast a Starsurge and two Wraths before Lunar seems to trigger. Any insight on that, Starfox?

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Figures:

Simulationcraft.org figure: 94595
SVN Profile (no edits): 94616
SVN Profile (forced to Lunar): 96658
SVN Profile (forced to -75): 95247

Ideally what I want to be doing to begin is hitting Starfall, then Wrath, then continuing the rotation from the -75 position. That's what seems to be going nuts.

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Fleuria · 08/18/12, 9:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tecton

Forcing the profile on the SVN (compiled the client from the SVN too) to start in Lunar pushes the DPS up a bit. That would be higher, I think, if setting Eclipse energy to -75 worked properly. As things stand, it tries to cast a Starsurge and two Wraths before Lunar seems to trigger. Any insight on that, Starfox?

[edit]

Figures:

Simulationcraft.org figure: 94595
SVN Profile (no edits): 94616
SVN Profile (forced to Lunar): 96658
SVN Profile (forced to -75): 95247

Ideally what I want to be doing to begin is hitting Starfall, then Wrath, then continuing the rotation from the -75 position. That's what seems to be going nuts.

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Pretty much seems to be the standard opening starfall into wrath into cds dots starsurge into starfall if its run out and ca when lunar energy hits 0

Starfox · 08/18/12, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tecton

Forcing the profile on the SVN (compiled the client from the SVN too) to start in Lunar pushes the DPS up a bit. That would be higher, I think, if setting Eclipse energy to -75 worked properly. As things stand, it tries to cast a Starsurge and two Wraths before Lunar seems to trigger. Any insight on that, Starfox?

[edit]

Figures:

Simulationcraft.org figure: 94595
SVN Profile (no edits): 94616
SVN Profile (forced to Lunar): 96658
SVN Profile (forced to -75): 95247

Ideally what I want to be doing to begin is hitting Starfall, then Wrath, then continuing the rotation from the -75 position. That's what seems to be going nuts.

[/edit]

oh, initial_eclipse=-75 sets the bar to -75, but the direction stays 0, a direction 0 starsurge gives +energy. :o