[Resto] 4.3 Gear Discusson (Dragon Soul) - Page 2

xPaperweight · 12/03/11, 11:40 AM

Is using Ti'tahk, the Steps of Time - Item - World of Warcraft .worth the sacrifice of all secondary stats to your MH/OH?

I did some testing on it, and it's a 45s ICD from the expiration of the effect, and it does proc off hots.
Assuming you're still able to keep 2005 haste, it would almost put you to the 3967 breakpoint.

Kluian · 12/03/11, 6:11 PM

I think treecalcs shows a 2005 haste gear set has a higher HPS than the 3967 haste gear set. The massive loss of INT going for 3967 haste probably isn't worth it.

With the gear set Noldy just linked above put into TreeCalcs (Reforging = Haste > Mastery > Spirit)

7220 INT
10924 SP (avg with trinket)
1632 SPI
3968 HST
167 CRT
1672 MST

HPS: 56,366
Time to OOM: 196

Then going with 2005+ haste set with same reforging style, but going for 4 pc Resto + max ilvl from DS gear.

8002 INT
11134 SP
2572 HST (Haste above 2005 was still showing higher HPS output than CRT)
415 CRT
2256 MST

HPS: 57,771
Time to OOM: 257.69

Having 2215 haste with Seven Signs proc (3278 haste) gives WG/Eff 11 ticks if NG isn't active.

Dav1l · 12/03/11, 8:19 PM

Yes, with talents it will be a little bit over 800 int, 300 spirit, 600 mastery difference, Deathwing mace and passive int trinket on top of that.

2005 haste set will most likely be better than clunky haste set, but something to try out surely. Obviously, you wouldn't be able to get full BiS before you kill Deathwing so it all comes down to in what gear you will farm DS.

♦ Carebare · 12/05/11, 9:27 PM

Okay, weapons are in. Thanks for your patience and corrections. Anything else shoot me a PM.

Maneut · 12/06/11, 2:47 AM

Originally Posted by Noldy

Speaking of which, this is what I came up with for the 3967 haste breakpoint.
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Profiler - Wowhead
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* It skips resto 4 set bonus and gets 2 pieces from moonkin set and 1 from Tier12
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I think it's not worth it sacrificing this amount of INT and Mastery to reach the haste breakpoint - eventhough another Reju Tick would be nice.

Also I find it a litte bit schizophrenic to get rid of the 4pc bonus, which boosts Reju to get another tick of Reju.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Pyrates · 12/06/11, 4:34 AM

Anybody got a usefull estimate of the uptime of [Ti'tahk, the Steps of Time]? Comments on wowhead aren't exactly clear, but it might be worth getting and going and putting up an extra 32 haste for the extra RJ tick on proc.

xPaperweight · 12/06/11, 9:07 AM

Yah, it's a 45 second ICD, with a 10 second duration. The CD starts at the end of the duration. And it does proc off hots. Not sure of the proc chance, but it's roughly up 10/60seconds. Don't have any logs with it yet, but that's just testing i got through healing in SW.

But it's a sacrifice of a lot of stats. Not only does it not have secondary stats, but it doesn't have a gem socket like most 2 handers do. So, you lose out on the offhand +40 int enchant as well.

Beasty · 12/06/11, 9:13 AM

The aforementioned staff along with [Seal of the Seven Signs] may be an interesting combination for reaching haste breakpoints, it would still be quite unreliable though. The boon with SoW being the activated haste effect.

Kleathead01 · 12/06/11, 9:19 AM

I was curious to hear people thoughts on our 4 piece set bonus. I wasn't able to do any testing on it during the ptr, but it seems like a huge throughput loss from t12 4p. Would keeping 2p t12 and getting a strictly throughput trinket like windward heart and maw make up for the throughput loss? Or would getting it benefit us more through the increase in secondary stats?

Lauser · 12/06/11, 9:25 AM

Originally Posted by xPaperweight

Yah, it's a 45 second ICD, with a 10 second duration. The CD starts at the end of the duration. And it does proc off hots. Not sure of the proc chance, but it's roughly up 10/60seconds. Don't have any logs with it yet, but that's just testing i got through healing in SW.

Regarding: [Ti'tahk, the Steps of Time]

I can confirm this (for balance at least). Looks like the uptime is roughly 17% (10/60s).
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faa · 12/06/11, 10:34 AM

From what I heard our 4 piece is terrible. It will result in over-healing most of the time IMO. I was considering going for 2500~ haste or w/e the exact number is Seal of the Seven Signs proc. I don't think it's a good idea to drop down to 1500~ spirit for mastery this tier since druids mainly did this for rag progression. Some stuck with it including me but I'm definately feeling the pinch on mana now and will most likely reforge back out of mastery to spirit this reset.

A lot of gear has pure haste on it this tier so its going to be a lot easier to work around haste values IMO. This makes it easier to take an item with no 2ndary stats like Maw of the Dragonlord.

I think we'll be using 2p t12 during madness, I heard they increased all the damage output right before to tonight's shutdown?

zielik · 12/06/11, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by faa

From what I heard our 4 piece is terrible. It will result in over-healing most of the time IMO. I was considering going for 2500~ haste or w/e the exact number is Seal of the Seven Signs proc. I don't think it's a good idea to drop down to 1500~ spirit for mastery this tier since druids mainly did this for rag progression. Some stuck with it including me but I'm definately feeling the pinch on mana now and will most likely reforge back out of mastery to spirit this reset.

Healing will matter on hc ultraxion and then spine and madness -
even on normal aoe dmg there is constant so double duration rejuvenations on some ppl will be very useful and will not overheal much.
Not sure about getting as much as 2.5k haste in replace of mastery, someone would have to test it.
I wouldn't rise spirit in cost of mastery yet, personally I have ~19.0 mastery/low spirit and Im lasting with mana on long fights. We'll see how it goes on heroics.

Sasazuka · 12/06/11, 8:14 PM

Just got [Heart of Unliving] (raid finder version - wowhead doesn't show the intellect on it) and it has 286 intellect. Procs on casts but not ticks (LB and RJ both count as one, each target of WG counts as one too but not sure about Tranquility). I think the spirit gained (780 vs 400) should warrant it as a replacement for DMC:Tsunami (lose 35 intellect). I'm not sure if the 10 second duration vs DMC:Tsunami's 20 second will have any impact or not.

EDIT: While doing H.Morchok, I found that using Eye of Blazing Power was better so I didn't really have a chance to test [Heart of Unliving]. Like Tecton said, passing this to a Resto Shaman may be better since Mana Tides Totem can benefit from the stacking spirit.

Playered · 12/06/11, 9:36 PM

The heroic one has 364 Intellect which should go towards making it certainly a more viable trinket for us (only a -150~ Int loss in comparison to another DS trinket) as a possible replacement for Jaws of Defeat.

However quick napkin math seems to put even the heroic Heart at a very similar level of MP5 to Jaws:
Heart - 700~ MP5 from the Spirit + 364 Int.
Jaws - 750~ MP5 (near optimal usage, according to the old thread) from the use effect + 433 Int.

If you don't make great use of Jaws then Heart may end up sneaking ahead. However it is most likely better for your raid if you passed on it in favor of the other healers who scale more significantly from Spirit for their regen and instead started using Jaws more effectively.

Someone with a bit more time will no doubt come out with a more detailed comparison but I doubt it will deviate very much from the fact that the difference is so minor on good usage that at the heroic level it becomes the 'Lazy Mans Choice'. The normal version is -110 Int from heroic Jaws and pulls out 650~ MP5 which is probably inferior to even half-assed usage of Jaws when you take into account the throughput advantage 110 Int provides.

Spirit just has not been that significant a stat for us when Replenishment, Revitalize and Innervate all scale solely off Intellect and Blizzard seem to have no qualms with that for this expansion.

♦ Tecton · 12/07/11, 4:24 AM

One thing to consider is that passing the trinket to a resto shaman in the first instance increases your entire healing team's mana regen.