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Old 11/13/12, 2:23 PM   #211
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Assume it's not nerfed for the moment, unless live PTR shows a change (which I expect it won't). The 13% reduction leads me to believe the spelldata is simply being normalized to show a hypothetical ilvl 463 version of the proc, like with most trinkets.

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Old 11/14/12, 3:22 AM   #212
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Symbiosis, Boss Mechanics, and You

Some suggestions for symbiosis and their use on some fights.

Mogushan Vaults
Heroic Will of the Emperor - Deterrence - Soaking Titan Sparks
Heroic Elegon - Icebound Fortitude - Soaking Total Annihalation with Ironbark running concurrently
Feng the Accursed - Ice Block - Clearing Arcane Resonance debuff

Heart of Fear
Heroic Blade Lord Ta'yak - Spirit Walker's Grace - Direct Heals during blade storms / phase 2 Tornados
- Ice Block - Clearing Wind Step debuff
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Ice Block - Saving yourself from Visions of Demise

Terrace of Endless Springs
Guardians - Lifegrip - Pulling people out of chains or tanks / melees out of bad things
Tsulong - Lifegrip - People with high stacks of dreadshadows to the sunbeam
Lei Shi - Spirit Walker's Grace - Get Away phase, note you must maintain movement to reduce damage taken.

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Old 11/14/12, 9:32 AM   #213
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Originally Posted by Kjeldorian View Post
Some suggestions for symbiosis and their use on some fights.

Heroic Will of the Emperor - Deterrence - Soaking Titan Sparks
Heroic Elegon - Icebound Fortitude - Soaking Total Annihalation with Ironbark running concurrently
Feng the Accursed - Ice Block - Clearing Arcane Resonance debuff

Heroic Blade Lord Ta'yak - Spirit Walker's Grace - Direct Heals during blade storms / phase 2
- Ice Block - Clearing Wind Step debuff
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Ice Block - Saving yourself from Visions of Demise
Just adding on, with Spirit Walker's Grace Tranquility can be channeled while moving during transition phase.

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Old 11/14/12, 4:05 PM   #214
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Tsulong - Healing Buff

Comments about Bathed in Light the 600% Healing Buff during the Day phase of the Tsulong encounter in Terrace of Endless Springs.

Tranquility channel will update when the caster receives the buff so if in mid channel, the remaining pulses will be boosted.
HoTs cast with the buff up will maintain the buff until the HoT expires or is refreshed less the buff. (Let lifebloom continue running empowered)
Swiftmend ground effect updates continuously and will power down when the caster's buff falls off.
Refreshing an existing Lifebloom stack on the boss with RG while empowered will empower the stack.

Do note, along the lines of Guardian Spirit to empower your heals as well the monk 2min CD Life Cocoon also empowers your HoTs as well.

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Old 11/15/12, 2:49 AM   #215
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Originally Posted by Kjeldorian View Post
Some suggestions for symbiosis and their use on some fights.
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Wind Lord Mel'jarak iceblock will prevent Amber Prison from being applied.

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Old 11/15/12, 2:59 PM   #216
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Wind Lord Mel'jarak iceblock will prevent Amber Prison from being applied.
Icebound fortitude works on this as well (and is probably a bit handier)

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Old 11/15/12, 7:59 PM   #217
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Imperial Vizier (N + H), Iceblock works for Attenuation / Force and Verve. Deterrence does not.

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Old 11/16/12, 5:50 AM   #218
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Originally Posted by Kjeldorian View Post
Imperial Vizier (N + H), Iceblock works for Attenuation / Force and Verve. Deterrence does not.
I can't speak for the symbiosis version of the spell but Deterrence on my hunter alt did block 100% of the incoming damage from Force and Verve, did not use it during attenuation though since walking and shooting is better as a hunter^^

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Old 11/16/12, 8:15 PM   #219
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Originally Posted by Kjeldorian View Post
Some suggestions for symbiosis and their use on some fights.

Mogushan Vaults
Heroic Will of the Emperor - Deterrence - Soaking Titan Sparks
Heroic Elegon - Icebound Fortitude - Soaking Total Annihalation with Ironbark running concurrently
Feng the Accursed - Ice Block - Clearing Arcane Resonance debuff

Heart of Fear
Heroic Blade Lord Ta'yak - Spirit Walker's Grace - Direct Heals during blade storms / phase 2 Tornados
- Ice Block - Clearing Wind Step debuff
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Ice Block - Saving yourself from Visions of Demise

Terrace of Endless Springs
Guardians - Lifegrip - Pulling people out of chains or tanks / melees out of bad things
Tsulong - Lifegrip - People with high stacks of dreadshadows to the sunbeam
Lei Shi - Spirit Walker's Grace - Get Away phase, note you must maintain movement to reduce damage taken.
Quick question, why wouldn't you Detterence for Total Annihalation on Elagon?

Also I think it's worth noting that you can symbiosis monks for their shieldwall (20% dmg reduction, 20% hp increase, 3 min cd) just as an additional defensive cooldown. Obviously we have barkskin, but there's enough dmg flying around in heroics to make use of additional cds. I don't believe we should waste symbiosis on avoidable mechanics.

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Old 11/17/12, 12:15 PM   #220
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Deterrence did not work for Attenuation.
Did not attempt to use Deterrence for H Elegon because it ate through immunity barriers like Ice Block.

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Spirit Kings - Ice Bound Fortitude - Breaks Pin Down
Protectors - Ice Bound Fortitude - Breaks Lightning Prison

Why use Symbiosis to nerf mechanics?
Because we play restoration druids, as easy it is for us to avoid the mechanic, healing and dodging the 100 balls of doom is not easy. Or see it as breaking out of that stun / fear so you can continue healing is good. Or in the case of lifegrip, keeping that DPS alive saves you from having to battle resurrect them.

Also in some cases, there is a slight DPS increase to giving symbiosis (or tank survivability when changes are reverted in 5.1) to certain classes or giving an edge to other classes to perform their role (ex, Hunters and energized plates during H Stone Guard) vs giving ourselves another self CD.

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Old 11/17/12, 3:11 PM   #221
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As I understand, DPS DKs and Wild Mushroom: Plague is the only DPS increase in a Patchwerk fight, which is a plenty acceptable general use considering that Icebound Fortitude is so helpful. I'm not familiar enough with tank mechanics to swear to it but at first glance even the 5.1 tank mechanics suggest symbiosising a DK, since the ability they receive runs on Runic Power and does not directly compete with Active Mitigation for resources.

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Old 11/19/12, 11:28 AM   #222
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I just wanted to add my two cents to using IBF + BS or IB on Elegon.

I soaked for our first kill last night, and we ran into problems with me repeatedly dying anytime I took any significant damage the few seconds before the explosion - I just didn't have the life, even with the cooldowns, to survive the explosion if I wasn't pretty much full health going into it (the hits were about 350k with the cooldowns). It could have been the way Elegon's abilities lined up in conjunction with the add I was soaking that caused me to frequently get hit with additional damage a few seconds before it exploded, as our other Druid did not have near the problems that I did. However, I found soaking to be an exercise in frustration.

While i think it is nifty to find creative ways to use symbiosis, it would be my suggestion that if you have people available with larger damage reductions that can sustain damage regardless of taking a fair size hit in close proximity to the explosion that you have them soak instead (if yo want healers to do it, monks pretty much laugh in the face of the ability, and I think can even avoid the stun). If you don't have that luxury for whatever reason, be sure that your other healers know that you need to be full health going in, so that they can step off the platform to help get you topped up quickly if needed.

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Old 11/19/12, 8:50 PM   #223
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There should be no reason for a druid healer to soak on Elegon heroic. If you have monks, rogues (feint), warriors (shield wall), mages (cauterize), warlocks (dark bargain) among others, they are far better equipped than us to deal with large single hits.

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Old 11/20/12, 12:44 AM   #224
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Might of Ursoc will boost your hp with the CDs in case you need to soak it. I'm not advocating that rdruids soak it, but I am pointing out that it is viable. You work with what you have or get replaced by a monk, I don't care.

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Old 11/20/12, 3:08 AM   #225
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Mages can also use Alter Time to get out of the stun. In our group Warlock and Mage don't even need to be healed outside the shield. And our rogue takes little damage and can be healed quickly. I soak one, but I'm not healing on this fight, so I have moonkin damage reduction + BS + Warlock's Unending Resolve (symbiosis).
All in all I too consider resto druids to be very low priority soakers.

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