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Old 02/13/13, 12:52 PM   #451
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Will try to crunch these at some point. Assuming generally balanced stat allocation, passive Int is obviously nice for us. Passive Int + smart heal proc is probably best (right, same reason Abacus was BIS for us back in T10). On-heal shield proc has chance of being overbudget for Druids as always, but depends on whether the new rate-normalized PPM system is being used for trinkets now.


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Old 02/13/13, 1:49 PM   #452
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In response to a twitter question I napkinned the mana trinket. It's 59 ilvls higher than Heroic Price of Progress, so we expect it to be 1.009363^59 = 1.73 times as strong. PoP gives 5082/50 = ~102 mana per second, so here we expect around 176 mana per second. At 8280 per proc that's 47 seconds, so should have a 45s ICD if they're nice about it.


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Old 02/13/13, 6:50 PM   #453
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Posting fast, will get back to this later: PTR Class and Set Bonus Issues, Part II - Forums - World of Warcraft

Chalice is 3 RPPM and heals every 6 procs, so you get a free Swiftmend-sized heal every 120/haste seconds. I'm undecided here. Probably under 1% on a raw basis, but obviously the point is that smart heals should be close to 100% effective. 1000 HPS looks pretty nice when added straight onto your effective healing. Flip side is, can't control timing, so unless a fight is very consistently active, the chance of coming at a worthless time will quickly diminish it.

Kind of lukewarm on meta. No throughput except for 108 added Int, which is actually worth less than the 3% crit bonus. The proc is quite a lot of mana, makes meta pretty clearly worth using, but nothing as dramatic as the 5%+ output gains a spec like Balance is looking at.


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Old 02/14/13, 3:58 AM   #454
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Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
In response to a twitter question I napkinned the mana trinket. It's 59 ilvls higher than Heroic Price of Progress, so we expect it to be 1.009363^59 = 1.73 times as strong. PoP gives 5082/50 = ~102 mana per second, so here we expect around 176 mana per second. At 8280 per proc that's 47 seconds, so should have a 45s ICD if they're nice about it.
Looking at the patch notes they're putting it on 1RPPM bringing the normal-mode trinket to 690 mp5 (ignoring the haste component on realPPM that will actually put us at 1,125 PPM, assuming we're going for the 3043 breakpoint) which is actually lower than all 3 of our current trinket options with regards to mana regen(Relic, Spirits and Seal). I'm hoping they change that to more than 1RPPM . Or maybe this is the herald of the long-awaited ITEM SQUISH!

I agree with you about the meta, feels like just another OoC we need to track if we want to get the best out of it, only problem is that it doesn't share our clearcasting's model of only working on regrowth/ht and could proc right before we manually refresh lifebloom, effectively wasting it.

Btw: Was there any news about an addon that can display current healing-mushroom charge %? If one doesn't exist in the next few weeks I'll get of my ass and write one.

Last edited by Chainfire : 02/14/13 at 9:51 AM. Reason: Updated to fix bad wording. 60s -> 1ppm

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Old 02/14/13, 4:54 AM   #455
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Originally Posted by Chainfire View Post
Looking at the patch notes they're putting it on a 60s icd bringing the normal-mode trinket to 690 mp5 (ignoring the haste component on realPPM that will actually put us at 2.25 PPM, assuming we're going for the 3043 breakpoint) which is actually lower than all 3 of our current trinket options with regards to mana regen(Relic, Spirits and Seal). I'm hoping they change that to 45s. Or maybe this is the herald of the long-awaited ITEM SQUISH!

I agree with you about the meta, feels like just another OoC we need to track if we want to get the best out of it, only problem is that it doesn't share our clearcasting's model of only working on regrowth/ht and could proc right before we manually refresh lifebloom, effectively wasting it.

Btw: Was there any news about an addon that can display current healing-mushroom charge %? If one doesn't exist in the next few weeks I'll get of my ass and write one.
Is it Horridon's Last Gas you guys talking about?

There is a blue post talking about the rppm of the new trinkets
PTR Class and Set Bonus Issues, Part II - Forums - World of Warcraft

Healer
- Soothing Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault – On Use, 180sec CD.
- Horridon's Last Gasp – 1.00 RealPPM on heal from helpful spell and periodic spell while in combat. No ICD.
- Inscribed Bag of Hydra-Spawn – 1.13 RealPPM on heal from helpful spell and periodic spell while in combat. 17 sec ICD.
- Stolen Relic of Zuldazar – 3.00 RealPPM on attempting helpful spell while in combat. No ICD. Use effect has a 20sec CD.
- Lightning-Imbued Chalice – 3.00 RealPPM on heal from helpful spell and periodic spell while in combat. No ICD.

Horridon's Last Gas does not have icd and is 1 rppm.
And yes it should have 690mp5 not counting haste.

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Old 02/19/13, 9:26 PM   #456
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Looking at the inestimable Totemspot breakpoint cards, I see that the new breakpoint for SotF-WG is now 3421 haste. I've made many suggestions not to go past 3043, but I think this time it will be a low enough itemization sacrifice to be worth the boost with SotF. Particularly since going into 522+ gearsets I expect to be more concerned with reforging haste down to a cap than up to a cap.

Last edited by Quincunx : 02/19/13 at 11:59 PM. Reason: Bad suggestion as per below.

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Old 02/19/13, 9:33 PM   #457
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Then Bink is still assuming 70% haste. I forgot the number with 75% offhand, but I gave it to Beru earlier for the main Resto post.

e: it's 2109.


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Old 02/21/13, 6:10 AM   #458
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I have a question about the calculations in this thread comparing Mastery to Haste. Do they take into account the fact that you can cast more spells in the same time with haste?

For example, at 3039 12.51% haste, you can cast 11.25 rejuvs in 15 seconds. With 6652 21.43% haste you can cast 12.14 rejuvs in 15 seconds.

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Old 02/21/13, 6:22 AM   #459
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At level 46 you got swift rejuv. That is one rejuv/sec, unless you have negative haste. Normally you can't get the gcd below 1 second, so Rejuv does not get a cast time benefit from Haste.

Haste does speed up your other spells, and TreeCalcs takes that into account.

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Old 02/21/13, 8:22 AM   #460
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Originally Posted by Erdluf View Post
At level 46 you got swift rejuv.
Thanks Erdluf! I'm going to try the lower haste cap for the next raid.

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Old 02/22/13, 11:16 PM   #461
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One question for 5.1 and 5.2

Assuming you are a troll resto druid and using sotf what is the haste (after 5730) that can be helpful to be combined with berserk? This apply to both 5.1 and 5.2.

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Old 02/23/13, 12:37 AM   #462
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It really doesn't matter since Berserking is up so rarely (one SotF every 3 minutes), and also since at this point the number of ticks is so high that each breakpoint doesn't matter much--at the usual 3043 haste you'd have a 17 tick WG. For whatever it's worth, the 18th will be at 5747.

What's 5730 haste by the way?


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Old 02/23/13, 11:18 PM   #463
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currently its the 13 tick in wild growth which is strange because in here it says 5737 while everywhere else it is says 5730 (e.g. totemspot) and if i remember correctly when i was testing 5730 was the haste cap for extra wild growth tick.

Also why berserking is that bad since you can reach the higher haste limits for 10 secs ? (Its not much to reforge your stats for that but not that bad). You can utilize wild growth (outside sotf) and lifebloom and if you reforge for abit more haste you can reach extra tick on rejuv (again dont say to do that but just wonder if with new patch it can scale better to reach last ticks on rejuv and traq)

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Old 02/24/13, 3:15 AM   #464
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Btw: Was there any news about an addon that can display current healing-mushroom charge %? If one doesn't exist in the next few weeks I'll get of my ass and write one.
I made a WeakAuras display to do that, if it's of any interest to you. Just quoting my post from another forum:
I just threw this together for my own use and figured some of you might find it useful as well. It's a Weakauras tracker that shows (as a number) how much healing is stored in your mushrooms, along with a bar that fills up based on the total capacity (which depends on max health and number of mushrooms).

Weakauras import string: dKueFaGiKuxcbv1OaqNcawfQkEfkrMfOOBrQyxOQ6xKkPmmeYXqILrrEgk10OOQRHQsBdjPVHGkJdkIo - Pastebin.com

Note that I wasn't able to figure out a way to track the buff on the mushrooms themselves (since it failed to trigger COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED or UNIT_AURA), so I'm actually just tracking the rejuvenation overheal itself and summing the amount done while each mushroom was active. This means two things.
  1. If Blizzard rebalances mushrooms, this tracker will have to be adjusted for the new figures (i.e. I've incorporated the behavior "25% of overhealing up to 33% of player max health" into the tracker).
  2. There is the possibility that this tracker could produce inaccurate results in some edge cases. However, I've tested every realistic edge case I could think of and the worst discrepancy I've been able to produce is of order 1 rejuvenation tick (owing to a small time offset between when I start counting overheal toward a newly-spawned mushroom's growth and when Blizzard does).
Also, it would be trivial to show a separate tracker for each mushroom but I figured that would just be extraneous.
Probably not the best possible implementation, but it's worked well enough for me on PTR.

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Old 02/24/13, 7:14 AM   #465
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Originally Posted by apostolis View Post
One question for 5.1 and 5.2

Assuming you are a troll resto druid and using sotf what is the haste (after 5730) that can be helpful to be combined with berserk? This apply to both 5.1 and 5.2.
On a related note. How many triggers SotF and/or berserk before using tranq? - I know the actual healing increase isn't high, but the channel time is decreased significantly.

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