so I was talking to a friend who recently came back to the game, and when he was asking me questions I realized how unsure I was of AOE situations, and questions in general.

A while back there was a discussion about number of targets to hurricane. Someone made a chart and said 8 targets is when hurricane is better, but I feel like this is wrong. I realize how strong lunar showerx3 is, but I've watched a few streams, and Zoomkins of BL specifically says he hurricanes at 5 targets in solar.

1) Does anyone have a chart or a confident response as to when to Hurricane and Astral Storm, with and without nature's grace, as far as number of targets go. Think Heroic Sha or Wind Lord where all the adds have lots of hp.

2) Why do I see top druids like Pacteh and Zoomkins in WoL using the eclipsed dot first. I know 45% Lunar Shower isn't a big deal, but for the sake of min maxing why would they not sunfire before moonfire when they reach Lunar? I asked Zoomkins once in his stream and I didn't understand his answer at all, but he said it was better and I would love to know why.

So I was talking with some people in Eluials guide Moonfarespam: The Moonkin PvE Guide (5.1) - Forums - World of Warcraft and they confirmed that Jin'ya, Orb of the Waterspeaker is better than Kri'tak, Imperial Scepter of the Swarm. According to [Balance] T14H BiS list - Page 6 this is not so. Thoughts?

I don't where you saw that, looking back in the past few pages of Eluial's thread I don't see anything like that being mentioned. In fact Eluial himself linked to mmo champion post for the BiS which has the Mace as BIS. The only thing I see mentioned in the past month or so in this thread is the convenience of the staff over the Mace/OH. This is true because you basically save yourself 1500 VP by only having to upgrade your staff for maximum value, where as you have to upgrade both the mace and off hand in order to reach maximum potential there.

You can take that however you want, but I haven't seen anyone trying to argue that the Staff is a BiS option, upgrades aside.

Anyone confident in perhaps answering? Especially the first question. I'm really struggling.

That was my point though. I saw that post, but I see so many people casting hurricane at 5+. I assume the 8 targets looked at the damage and not the rate of hurricane ticks, ie hurricane will tick 3 times before you can cast 3 sunfires.

Is this wrong? Zoomkins seems to stand by it on his stream when he hurricanes 5 adds on H Sha, and when I do it on 6-7 targets it seems like my dps sky-rockets over multi dotting. I just want to make sure I'm not doing it wrong if it actually is 8.

I think I'm still conservative about it in the guide even, but yeah, WC should be the best thing to go by here. Eclipsed Moonfire is really strong. Most things that would affect one option or the other (AoE vs. DoTs) affect both equally--being in Eclipse, having Elements on the targets, having Nature's Grace or not, etc.

The only thing to really add is that for multi-dots to work, the target has to live for 14-16 seconds, and that's a long time. I'm not that familiar with current raid encounters so I can't say in detail. But if you think about any clump of 5+ adds, you should be Hurricaning for the last 10-12 or so seconds of their life, which could be most or all of it.

Speaking of dots, is there any rule of thumb for when an add is too short-lived to be worth dotting? For example, in Heroic Protectors, there's a steady stream of single adds that need to be killed, and they tend to only live 7 seconds or so.

There's enough time to refresh dots on the boss to help with SS procs between adds, but I was having a hard time determining whether it was worth dotting those adds or not. SS procs are great for bursting the guys down, but I kind of doubted that one additional ticking dot was worth it when it was dying in half of the dot's duration.

In the end, I decided to hit it with just the eclipsed dot (if I was eclipsed) as soon as it got in range if I didn't have a SS proc waiting, but it still felt kind of questionable.

Hi everyone, I have a question about priority gemming for 5.2.

Given that we would probably choose HotW, is there any possibility about going inte gems for red sockets and inte-crit for yellow?

I still think what they did to NV is good. 10% dmg done for 30sec- 1.5min cd > 20% dmg done for 30sec 3min cd.
they didnt touch the duration, so it will be like 1min off, make our dmg moar stable.
on aoe fights ofc, 6% int for dots will pull ahead. But, I dont think it worth to active HotW, am i wrong?

The new NV could be stronger in some highly specific case but overall it's clear that the new NV is weaker because you go from full uptime of Incarnation and CA under NV to half uptime (and you also lose BL and banner uptime). If you want to argue against the consensus then we'd love to see your math, but this case looks clear-cut (check my post @ TMR)

Along with Tusc, I made a post on the official forums about the NV change, and showed that it was indeed a nerf, and couldn't possibly be a buff because of the way we stack our CDs. The only possible way it could ever be a buff were there to be a damage mod on the boss that sync'd perfectly with our new NV cooldown, and was larger than the overall damage mod we get from Incarnation/eclipse. I very much doubt there will ever be a situation like that, so we can safely assume it's a nerf.

I used current H BiS numbers to calculate the change, and even though it looks like only a 1% damage reduction, it's significant enough and warrants a look at alternatives. On top of that, it means we'll need to modify our NV/Incarnation macros to ensure NV is pressed twice as much as Incarnation.

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