Yea our underlying problem is still movement dps and having NG tied to being able to move between eclipses quickly, it would be nice to see them at least acknowledge that there is a problem there.

Has anyone run the numbers on the new legendary metas? Some interesting options there, I'm no math guru and they don't look clear cut to me at first glance.

Do we know the proc rates?

Meh. Guess not, my fault. Not sure why I didn't realize that.

I did do some brief looking at numbers and that 30% haste is an awful big number. Even at fairly low proc rates and/or long ICD's, the strength of a mini-Bloodlust is so strong that it handily beats out the Burning Primal. Unless they nerf the proc itself, I doubt the proc rate or ICD will make much difference as far as whether we're replacing the Burning or not.

Well right, the whole point is that you use it over a normal meta once you go to all the trouble to get it. But mostly just curious how much of a DPS increase it is. %haste is a pretty efficient bonus for us due to importance of shortening Eclipse cycle (esp. with new 4-piece)

I forgot to check PPM mechanics, which I may try tonight, but at a reasonable 2% proc chance and 45-second ICD, it was comparatively worth almost double the DPS of a Burning Primal. And that was without the 4-piece and using a test case in "average" LFR/Normal mode gear; I don't have a good Heroic mode profile to run numbers against. It worked out to be ~3.5% DPS, as compared to the Burning Primal's 2%. Also, cutting the proc rate in half does not halve its power.

As with all procs that are below average outside Eclipse, it's (by definition) above average inside Eclipse. It's hard to guess its value from basic itemization principles since it's a nonstandard proc, I'll need to make a custom WC widget eventually. On one hand, could be good for us since we value crits a lot, on the other, the value could be muted since we gear for crit so much. Guess: it will be a strong trinket for us. The variance will probably work in our favor since procs during Eclipse and especially during timers will have a multiplicative effect--e.g. procs during CA will give DoT crits that give extra Starsurges that extend the CA super-DoT.

I'm not too worried about movement--remember movement was one of the big arguments in favor of crit in the first place. In practice, DoT extensions and extra Starsurges are pretty valuable.

Right, I understand the law of averages. I'm just a little more skeptical of this trinket due to the duration/uptime. With other trinkets, it is perfectly reasonable to expect losing a few seconds of uptime due to fight mechanics, however with this trinket a few seconds is all you have.

We do have quite a few other trinket choices this tier: Wushoolay's Final Choice, Breath of the Hydra, and Cha-Ye's Essence of Brilliance.

Okay interesting, second two are standard, first is almost standard. The weird triangular proc may let you refresh a DoT or something for extra damage--9000 Int is a lot. Passive hit is getting to be a large enough quantity that it might cause a gearing headache.

Meta's going to proc over once per minute then, with all the haste we have from NG and otherwise. Should be over 5% mean haste. Very strong for us.