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Old 10/07/12, 4:09 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by mightymax474 View Post
I am trying to figure out a full BIS set list.

We going with the Haste staff or the main hand offhand. Also relic of yulon Relic of Yu'lon - Item - World of Warcraft thoughts? Also Mrrobot BIS seems wrong as usual http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/u...er/ronnylandau
I posted a BiS list a few pages back, also on MMO-Champ here. If you think you can improve on it, let me know!

Also, Relic of Yu'lon is showing from WrathCalcs to be about ~1.3k DPS less than the heroic trinkets, so I doubt it'll be any good at that level.

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Old 10/07/12, 10:09 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Slippykins View Post
I posted a BiS list a few pages back, also on MMO-Champ here. If you think you can improve on it, let me know!

Also, Relic of Yu'lon is showing from WrathCalcs to be about ~1.3k DPS less than the heroic trinkets, so I doubt it'll be any good at that level.
Not that I dont trust the list but I will be doing research testing anyway. Ill post what I find.

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Old 10/07/12, 4:51 PM   #93
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I wonder one thing now. Challenge modes.
I knwo we are pretty lame on it, terms of both aoe and single targert. however, we still going crit > haste > mastery? as we get ilvl 463 we losing our lovley crit- is it worth stacking it with low lvl gear?
obv hit capped, int food, int pots and int flasks. and im not sure if Inca is better than Sotfw with low-lvl haste. casting 2 starfire instand of 3, its pretty good!

Same goes with Hotw vs NV on challenge modes. if hotw doing more dmg while in cat than nv- we should do it, did u check the Swipe dmg of cat?

all this is about CMs, not raiding.

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Old 10/07/12, 10:40 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
Weapon white DPS definitely matters.


e: oh, how about:
/use Cat Form
/equip [form:1/3] catstaff
/equip [noform:1/3] moonkin MH
/equip [noform:1/3] moonkin OH
Expanding on this macro I made this:
#showtooltip
/cast Heart of the Wild
/cast [stance:5] Cat Form
/equip [stance:3/0] feral wep
/cast [stance:3/0] Moonkin Form
/equip [stance:5/0] caster mh
/equip [stance:5/0] caster oh
/run UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

It will swap your weapons and your forms with 1 button and it successfully works in combat.

Edit: Make sure you don't press this when you are currently in a GCD or it'll shift you out of form and swap your weapon. I don't think there's a way to fix this issue unfortunately.

Last edited by Zilulil : 10/09/12 at 4:32 PM.

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Old 10/08/12, 7:54 PM   #95
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Slightly off-topic, but I think it's something worth posting here.

Both the Windsong and Elemental Force enchants are currently bugged and are unable to proc off of DoTs and seemingly have a reduced chance to proc from DD spells. As such, Moonkins in particular are seeing exceptionally low uptime on any of the procs. It is recommended - for the time being - to continue using Power Torrent.

EDIT: I've also been reading rumours on the US forums that HotW has been stealth-nerfed - is anyone on the US realms in a position to confirm or deny this claim?

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Old 10/09/12, 4:09 AM   #96
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Windsong not proccing from DoTs is intended behaviour, not a bug:

•Windsong: 1PPM on melee damage, or non-periodic spell damage/healing, with a 1-second cooldown.

From here.


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Old 10/09/12, 5:25 AM   #97
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That clarifies DoT behaviour but it still has wildly inconsistent procs between melee and ranged.

I specced back for HotW for Feng last night and put Windsong on my Agility staff and had both the crit and mastery procs overlapping whilst in Cat form. Once I was back in Moonkin form with my Intellect staff it didn't proc at all for the remainder of the fight.

Blizzard has commented on the forums that the enchant is not working as intended for casters (Windsong not working? - Forums - World of Warcraft) so my guess is the PPM is either too high for melee or too low for casters.

Any word on HotW by the way? Quite a few threads have sprung up claiming it was nerfed.

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Old 10/09/12, 1:50 PM   #98
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I haven't seen anything changed about HotW, but I'm planning to transition to Dream of Cenarius when I get a bit more gear (and haste). It's a hassle to cast Healing Touch before each set of dots, especially when cycling eclipse is a bit long at the moment.

Also, updated the BiS list quite significantly. DPS is sitting at 107150.98, so I think we're (according to WrathCalcs) pretty close to the other classes. I'm quite surprised the Sha-Touched Kri'tak isn't better than Regail's 416 dagger because of the legendary gem (+500 Int), but I checked and WrathCalcs is computing the gem correctly, and the additional Spell Power on Regail's essentially neutralises the gem anyway. Least there wont be much contest for the dagger.

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Old 10/09/12, 9:09 PM   #99
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Originally Posted by Slippykins View Post
I haven't seen anything changed about HotW, but I'm planning to transition to Dream of Cenarius when I get a bit more gear (and haste). It's a hassle to cast Healing Touch before each set of dots, especially when cycling eclipse is a bit long at the moment.

Also, updated the BiS list quite significantly. DPS is sitting at 107150.98, so I think we're (according to WrathCalcs) pretty close to the other classes. I'm quite surprised the Sha-Touched Kri'tak isn't better than Regail's 416 dagger because of the legendary gem (+500 Int), but I checked and WrathCalcs is computing the gem correctly, and the additional Spell Power on Regail's essentially neutralises the gem anyway. Least there wont be much contest for the dagger.
Why would you change to DoC? NV and HotW are way stronger imo. Just curious to hear your reasoning behind it.

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Old 10/10/12, 2:41 AM   #100
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Originally Posted by Karepow View Post
Why would you change to DoC? NV and HotW are way stronger imo. Just curious to hear your reasoning behind it.
In BiS gear, DoC on WrathCalcs is shown to be about 2k DPS above the other two options. I can't import my character into WrathCalcs since I'm using the 64-bit version, and I'm too lazy to manually do it, so I'm just assuming with a bit higher level haste DoC will trump HotW. I run with HotW at the moment for raid utility and DPS I don't need to worry about. From testing on dummies, I couldn't find an increase using DoC with my current gear.

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Old 10/10/12, 5:40 AM   #101
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Do either simc or wratchcalcs do a decent job estimating the effect of chained skullbanners and stormlash totems during dps cd's? I know that's not likely something you're going to have in 10m but 25's running with 2-3 warriors and 2-3 shaman isn't out of the ordinary and even in mostly preraid gear having all cd's up + skull banner puts out some insane crits. I'm also curious about the effects of tossing dots up only during eclipse vs keepiing near 100% uptime on both would have on crit valuation since you're having less proc chances and starsurges sometimes not extending 2 dots.

Was also mentioning this to Hamlet in game the other day, but with inc/nv I find that holding off on the last starfall before your cd's come back up and basically repeating your opener is a dps gain over poping starfall as soon as you hit lunar. Obviously if you've got multi target situations sometimes and won't later you would want to pop starfall accordingly.

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Old 10/10/12, 10:30 AM   #102
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Holding off Starfall for an upcoming timer cycle is a nice advanced tip.

Also to add to OP--Mirror Image does basically no DPS. Makes sense, but just confirming it's not a DPS cooldown; only a utility cooldown.


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Old 10/10/12, 11:51 AM   #103
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MI does still give us the threat wipe and halt to generating threat whilst active, which I find to be very useful on pull at the current time.

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Old 10/11/12, 6:17 AM   #104
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Hi there, I'm actually reforging to the first haste breakpoint and then all crit, but every other druid is ignoring the first breakpoint and go straight crit ( i don't even know if there's a breakpoint at ~3k haste )
Who is doing the wrong thing? me or them ?

Lappé: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...p%C3%A9/simple crit
Bushino: Bushino @ Illidan - Community - World of Warcraft crit
Zoomkins: Zoomkins @ Illidan - Community - World of Warcraft crit

And pretty much any other druid out there

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Old 10/11/12, 6:36 AM   #105
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Originally Posted by nephyron View Post
Hi there, I'm actually reforging to the first haste breakpoint and then all crit, but every other druid is ignoring the first breakpoint and go straight crit ( i don't even know if there's a breakpoint at ~3k haste )
Who is doing the wrong thing? me or them ?

Lappé: Lappé @ Lightning's Blade - Community - World of Warcraft crit
Bushino: Bushino @ Illidan - Community - World of Warcraft crit
Zoomkins: Zoomkins @ Illidan - Community - World of Warcraft crit

And pretty much any other druid out there
Initially, with entry raid gear, WC suggested to go for crit. However, when I have tried to reach the first haste breakpoint (5273 without 4xT14) and then go for crit, WC showed higher dps.

After first reset I've checked some WoL logs and the top moonkins where mostly those with haste. I think crit focused gear also can show high dps but it will be slightly more RNG.

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