So I've heard in a lot of places that resto druids just aren't at the same level as most (if not all) of the other healers. We're a small 10man guild with three healers (pally, priest, druid) with a shaman to offspec heal if one of us isn't available during a fight we three heal. No matter what I do, I'm consistently below the amount of healing done compared to the pally and priest. They're a bit more geared than I am, partially because I've had horrible luck with my main hand weapon (I only recently got the heroic dungeon mace). But not enough that it seems like it should be a huge difference. I can two-heal fights OK, but it's still the same, where I'm way below the pally or priest I'm healing with.

Some examples:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - 10man reg Empress. This was my first time going for the 6652 haste cap which probably increased my healing a small bit, but it took a huge toll on my mana even with a spirit flask. I could be more conservative with mana, but expect my healing to drop lower as a result.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - 10man reg Amber Shaper. 2 healing with a holy pally. I *barely* beat him on healing, but that's because he got transformed right at the start of phase 3 and did 0 healing for that entire phase. I was at the 3043 haste cap with this with more focus on spirit, still OOM at the end.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - 10man heroic Feng. 3 healed, was struggling for mana near the end. I was at the 3043 cap for this as well.

We don't usually have set roles as healers. I keep a full stack of LB on the tank getting the most damage, and other hots on the 2nd tank as needed. Otherwise it's just rejuv as needed (hard to blanket pre-hot at the risk of going OOM), wild growth, etc. It seems like I'm not bringing that much to the raid besides tranquility, ironbark, and some mediocre healing. In cataclysm with the same group, we were more or less even on meters.

Am I doing something horribly wrong, or missing something I should be doing? Or are druids just mediocre this time around? Looking at WoL top rankings, druids seem way behind.

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Thanks!

Looking at your longest attempt (the last one):

From looking at it, you have 5 uses of NS and 32 Clearcasting procs with 49 total Regrowths and HTs, meaning you paid full cost for around 12, which is ~210k mana. You could have made up some of that healing by using more Swiftmends (which heals for more than a non-NS'd HT/Regrowth on a single target over the duration) where you only had 13 total casts. Swiftmend is just way more mana efficient.

The attempt before it shows similar. You're spending too much on low efficiency HT/Regrowth and not enough on super efficient Swiftmend. Other spells look fine from a high level view.

If you ask me you've got high amounts of overhealing, but that's because of your healing setup, both disc priests and paladins are really countering resto druids at this state because if you hot someone on 50% hp, then the paladin heals him to full, then he has to take that extra absorb in damage before you acctualy get to heal him again, which translates into overhealing from your hots.

Those logs aren't exactly the best logs, could you link something where you acctualy have to struggle healing, say Elegon, Garalon or Emperor? The nature of the fights you've linked favours burst healers and you're bound to be low there as a resto druid.

Use Swiftmend on CD, use Wild Growth on CD if it's benefical to do so (more then 5 targets are on less then 100% hp), use rejuvenation as main filler, Do not forget that nourish exists, if someone needs to be topped of and they have a wild growth on them, nourish is the best choice. HPM on nourish is acctualy good, even though it is so time consuming, but when you have nothing to do you can simply use nourish to top people of.

Two other things.

Get the Wild Growth glyph. I don't care if you don't have time to shift when you need stampede, the glyph is worth so much more, the simple math says it's more healing, the logic says it's more healing when you need that healing (after an explosion on Elegon for example).

You might also want to try out SotF for some fights, for example I had huge amounts of success (ranked top 200) the first week or two on Feng with it. Now that I've swapped it to Tree of Life I've acctualy decreased my numbers on that specific fight. (We no longer need it, so I simply don't switch to save atleast some money)


First of all you never want to spend off-specc tranqs before the last phase, they're so insanely more important there. Are you making sure to have a rotation of cooldowns to make sure that every explosion is mitigated to the full extent?

Are you killing the pillars at the exact same moment? (This makes or breaks this fight)

EDIT: Nevermind me, wrong thread.

HT is mostly worthless, but there are some marginal possible uses:

Value of HT mostly revolves around Living Seed.

If you get no benefit from LS (overwrite existing LS, or target only takes magical damage) HT heals (on average) more (~15%) than Regrowth, meaning it is a better NS spell and also a better cast when HPM matters more than HPS (including clearcasts).

If mana is no issue and you have down-time (or pre-pull) you can use HT to attempt to get a larger LS than you'd get from Regrowth. I don't know of any situations where you could justify that mana expenditure, but in principle ...

If you ever get a buff that gives you a very high crit chance, HT will start to look more attractive.

Hey,

we finally did it, we killed Elegon. I did my very best and tried to combine the advise you´ve given me. If you are interested here`s the log Dashboard - 18-11 19:42 - PvP round the clock - World of Logs I did a few mistakes, but overall I think I healed much better than the first tries.

@Numiro: Yeah, we changed the rotation a little bit in out last fight, for example the shadow priest used his mana hymn at the exact point were I needed it and we figured, that our druid tank could use tranquility in the last phase, so the healers could reset there stacks. Actually I finally timed my cd's just right. I can use innervate 3 times and tranquility 2 times were it is needed the most. I used ironbark on the tank and made more use of NS. So I think I did good.

Right now I´m considering changing some Glyphs, I wondered if Glyph of Regwroth could be a much better choice than for example Glyph of Wild Growth. I read some threads about it, but I think I just need to try it out.

Overall I am really grateful for your help. Thanks a lot.

I would opt to replace your rebirth glyph for Regrowth. Rebirth now has a baseline Rez of 60%, so there is really no reason to use that glyph over something more useful.

There really isn't a right or wrong answer to the INT vs SPR question. Generally, more SPR is good until you are comfortable with the amount of regen you have for the encounters you are doing.

Based on the description of your situation, you are comfortable with that, so INT may be the best bet for you at this point.

I still don't see why you'd throw away free socket bonuses.

You may have enough spirit for your regen, but as Hamlet says there's no need to toss socket bonuses. If you're satisfied with your level of spirit, use a purple INT/SPI gem and reforge the spirit from the gem and the spirit from the socket bonus into mastery. This costs you 80 INT from not using the full red, but gains you 160 mastery from using a hybrid gem and 160 mastery for the bonus. Int is better than mastery, but it isn't 4 times better.

Using Revitalizing Primal Diamond instead of Burning Primal Diamond would increase your spirit. Reforging crit in legs to spirit would give similar results. Buying Darkmoon healer spirit trinket and using it instead of Brewfest trinket would boost your mana regeneration.
Edit. For me it seems really strange choice of 2 glyphs. Glyph of Healing Touch: how often do you cast it? Glyph of Blooming: of course, some limited use in pve but most of the time you don't want to waste globals to reapply Lifebloom. Glyph of Wild Growth instead of other would certainly boost your performance.