Dear Mesitara,

Thank you for sugestions.
I change Burning primal with Revitalizing. Also i change glyphs and now have Wild Growth, Lifebloom and regrowth.

I dont have the money to buy the Darkmoon trinket yet so i have to deal with what i have.

In LFR i manage now a little more better than before and mana regen is also a little better.

As a healing tehnique let say :

On tanks i use : hot like rejuvenation and Life Bloom ( 3 stacks ) and fill with Nourish for cheap heal and Regrowth for quick large heal. For dramatic moment i go with Nature Swiftnes + Healing touch

The rest of raid i apply rejuvention more often due 2 X tier set bonus i have and Swiftmed and also for quick healing Regrowth

Also i go with Intelect food and flask ( cause are superior than spirit )

So generally should i get used with 2 or 3 rank in healing raid ? is really druid no match for priest, paly , shaman and monk in healing ?

Are some things which i am missing in order to perform better.

unfortunatley i dont have some log to share with ya.

Thank you in advance

Since i didnt have the chance to raid in normal modes but LFR i write what is happening in LFR.
I know that Elite is not the place for LFR comments.

Yes i am using Wild Growth this is the basic heal more or less .
The difference between me and other healers could be from 4 k up to 10 k ( ofc depend of the gear and player skill ) normally .
In terrace of endless spring in Tsulong boss paladin was 1 place with 60 k healing and me 30 k ( maybe i miss soemhing in figh mechanism ) but this case is singular . in rest is as i write before.



After i use your suggestions i perform better in healing

For Tsulong, you should be well equipped to have high output numbers. Night phase is almost completely effective hot healing (shrooms on CD in melee, WG on CD, SM on CD, SotF is very good here, RJ as mana allows), then day phase you are one of the best burst healers for those 6 seconds of buff from the breath. I haven't been able to get a perfect attempt in yet due to getting feared in day phase, but I was able to reach 100k hp/s on Tsulong (10 man normal) as a druid.

Quick question on how crit works with regrowth. If I had 35% crit on my character sheet and regrowth unglyphed, would regrowth crit every time? In other words does 35% crit + 5% crit buff + 60% crit from tooltip = 100% crit or is crit non additive and at some value sub 100%?

Using shrooms is a huge waste of time in day time, I'm not even gearing for spirit and have no problem sustaining proper mana on Tsulong, spending 3 globals (3.6 sec) just to get that really low amount of healing isn't going to be effective if you have other things to use. If you're running oom you probably want to cast less regrowths/nourish/healing touches.

Well first of all I'd suggest that you use worldoflogs.com, record your raids, look at what you did, then what the "good" logs did during the same period, chances are you're probably wasting mana on either healing that isn't necessary or on mana inefficent spells like Healing Touch, Regrowth or Nourish.

If you look at my logs for example I have very few casted heals, it's just very rarely benefical to you to use them, even when people are dangerously low there's better spells to cast, for example Rejuvenation + SM (Rejuvenation is instant so you have an entire GCD advantage over casting a regrowth), not to mention a Rejuvenation heals for like 20k+ instantly, which is more then enough to stabilize players normally (Remember that all healing isn't going to come from you, 20x3k + healthstone is in general what I expect, even though most classes have better instants (Power Word: Shield for example is 80k+ IIRC).

WoL: Dashboard - 02-01 16:29 - Nocuous - World of Logs
Boss: Tsulong
Armory: Beladda @ Arathor - Community - World of Warcraft

I swapped around talents and glyphs during the wipes. In the end I went with NV, NS and SotF. My new 4 piece made me want SotF. My issues were low throughput on raid & Tsulong combined with going massively oom after the first day phase. It seems I have the most actual healing on tsulong but not the highest hps.

So far my ideas are to use int food/flasks instead of spirit and to reduce my rejuv usage. Should I swap back to ToL? What is best to use during day phase?

Mainly I am just fusturated with my overall low hps on all fights this xpac and I do not want told back my team.

In 5.1 you always want Tree of Life, there's no situation where SotF beats it, atleast in this tier. Not to mention having 30 seconds of free healing is insanely broken on Tsulongs night phase.

More rejuvenation less Regrowths. Every single time you press regrowth you waste 18k mana. That's 15 seconds of my time with my regen, Regrowth is a terrible spell and the only time you should use it is to get rid of clearcasting proccs.

You pretty much need ToL + NV the entire tier so there's no reason to get rid of those ever, not to mention the alternatives are crap.

Here's one of my recent kills, you could use that to compare and decide what spells you want to cast less of and what to cast more of.

Analyze - 02-01 19:29 - Fortes Fortuna Juvat - World of Logs

After checking your armory there's two things I noticed. You're stacking way to much spirit, you don't need that much, especially not on Tsulong.

The second thing is that you're 700 haste above the cap, if you're confident you can practice well enough I'd suggest you go for 6652 haste cap (even though no one agrees with me in the main thread) because it gives you more power whenever you want power in 10 man. If you don't feel like you can practice the playstyle to perfection go for the 3043(not sure exactly what it's at).

Change the Qin-Xi's polarizing Seal trinket, it's complete garbage and the 463 heroic blue trinkets are better, 90% of the time the procc is going to be wasted when you have a chance on spellcast to procc thing, this is because you never have fights where you don't have downtime and if that proccs during any of the periods where you don't _need_ the extra power, you've just wasted 1000+ static int.

The reason spirit proccs aren't wasted is because you never sit on full mana after the first 15 seconds of a fight so the bonus spirit is always going to give you more mana.

Get rid of glyph of rejuvenation, nourish is even worse the regrowth but you want regrowth glyphed because there is events where you need a fast and strong heal in which case regrowth is the only button you have to press, not to mention improving the clearcasting proccs you'll get.

Get rid of Soul of the Forest and go for 4 piece, SotF doesn't work at all atm and Tree of Life is vastly superior. That's my general idea of the situation but since I don't feel like doing 10+ minutes of math for you...
Could you sum up the stats you lose so it's easier for me to know what you're sacrificing?

I do use tree of life but I like the idea of playing with with Sotf on occasion as I want the burst Wild growth to deal with things like rain of blades on Wind Lord, or burst life bloom if the tank is taking a bit of a beating. When you say its not working atm do you mean its bugged or the maths don't make it viable. I've seen that they are increasing this to 70% in the PTR notes. I hope that sticks.

So to take the 4 piece I would lose the following stats

int 443
spirit 466
crit 74
haste 160
mastery 27

This is non reforged stats but including gems and socket bonuses. It might also make it impossible to reach the wild grwoth haste break point of 6652 which I can currently do.

You seem very pro the 4 pc bonus. is this simply for more eflo up time?

thanks

Well, particularly if you're using SotF, the 4-piece bonus is almost indispensable. It's what brings the SM cooldown close to the WG cooldown so you can use them in tandem without large wastage.

Stone Guard, Feng, Elegon, Vizier, Blade Lord, Amber Shaper, Empress and Tsulong are all even or weighted towards SotF due to the significant sustained AoE damage.

This is about as false as you can get. Tsulong healing requires hefty amounts of regrowth (about 32 minimum outside of cc procs). The numbers both you and Cyndessa are casting are not indicative of a healer healing Tsulong properly. Compare healing breakdown. Not the most recent log but the only one I have.

6652 haste is roughly a 15% increase on 20% of your healing or a 3% increase overall at a loss of 3609 substat. Importantly, you don't gain any significant breakpoints on rejuv to do so.


Again very misleading information, Qin-Xi's is a very strong trinket and although int procs are unreliable, it's not going to be wasted on Tsulong. (and the trinket still outperforms all others in terms of raw HPS potential) To say the blues are better is not true.

This is true but with a tiny 45 second ICD Qin-Xi's can be controlled with relative ease to match up with many mechanics.

Sound advice. Nourish should not really be cast ever in a raid environment, and not having the regrowth glyph will make you waste the majority of the hot on Tsulong. Other fights it can be used to some effect.

I've already given a bunch of feedback to Beladda via PM just wanted to make sure people could make an informed decision on speccing.