[Resto] Simple questions + WoL Feedback
 

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10 man all around healing
 

Hello, I'd like to apologize in advance, this is my first post and I feel like I'm bound to have misunderstood some kind of rule.

I've never really worked with World of Logs, so I'd like some help figuring out what I can improve as a resto druid, I always feel like there's more to push but I don't know how to do it. I'll link two raids, one where we spent an entire night wiping on Stone Guards and another where we killed Stone guards on the second try and attempted Feng the accursed for a while.

Here's my armory page:

Numira @ Ravencrest - Community - World of Warcraft

Any comment on gemming/enchanting/gearing is very welcome, but if it's not allowed in the thread I'd be happy to welcome those in PM's.

I'm generally all around healing with an emphasis on raid healing during panic periods.

Here's the guild page:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

And here are the two raids in case I've failed to understand how to link the world of logs.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
3 man healing.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
4 man healing untill we noticed zerk timer was too close on Feng. (4 man during dogs entire time)

What I've been thinking about is my usage of rejuvention, I feel like I should use more, but I tend to go oom if I do, should I save some mana in order to rejuvention more?

I also want to hear someone else's opinion on the amount of mana regen that is needed, I feel like getting perhaps 1k more mp5 then start gearing for int instead, is this a good strategy, or should I be going for throughput sooner or later? I do know mana is a personal issue, but I want to hear what you guys like to do as my mana consumption is very adaptive.

If there's any general tip you can give me it's also welcome.
(Other then stop standing in the pools like a noob, I've got no excuse for that one, I just suck I guess)

I've been forced into a role as raid leader on and off because of various hinders for our usual raid leader, is this something that I should stop doing to improve my healing or do you guys think it's manageable with some practice? I felt very unfocused and wastefull with my mana the first couple of times I did it. The first raid I was merly commenting about healing and what to do healing wise on vent and the second try I had to handle everything from taunting the dogs to healing CDs by my self.

There's so much I've planned to ask, but I can't seem to figure out anything more to add.

Thank you so much for your time reading this, I hope I've done everything correct, and if I haven't I apologize, english is not my native language but I've done my best :)

Hi, I just recently switched to restoration druid after having played paladin and shaman for most of cataclysm. I haven't played a resto druid hardcore in a while. Right now I think my problem is my effective hot up-time and the timing of my HoTs. I was wondering if there are any tips for proactive healing or if there is something else I can do to help keep up. I have tried talked to Moodonna ( in the WoL), but he strait says " all in the reflex". I am looking for just a bit more than that! Thanks!

Armory: Merlüne @ Rexxar - Community - World of Warcraft

WoL: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis


P.S. Also my first post so if I messed up some rule I am sorry! Just ask and I can fix whatever you want!

What I can see from the armory you have almost 800 wasted points of haste, any haste above 3043 is waste if you cannot reach the next cap which I think is at 5.7k

Spirit, intellect and mastery all seem fairly close when compared in gem slots (Don't quote me on the haste though) because 1 intellect is worth 2 spirit in gems, so always go for set bonuses, there's for example a 120 intellect bonus from your chest that looks really tasty and if it wasn't too much lose I'd go for it since your mana regen seems fairly good already.

I'm also more of a fan of the all stats enchant on chest, I tend to judge 1 int ~= 2 spirit right now, and that gives a total of 80 int (160 spirit) + 80 spirit = 240 points of spirit, not even considerd the other values such as stamina. If you feel like you're having mana problems you can remove glyph of regrowth to be able to swiftmend regrowths after casting them from clearcasting, I found that this makes me able to use swiftmend pretty much on cooldown.

There's something that I noticed but I have no clue on how to fix, and that is the large amount of overhealing you have, you had the highest of all the healers on your feng the accursed wipes, as I said I don't know how to change this other then don't hot people that the other healers already hotted and are currently healing up, this generally turns into alot of overhealing but it's hard to notice.

You also have somewhat high downtime, where you aren't doing anything. If there's no healing needed right now you can always start casting nourish and interuppt it if the tank is on full health right before you finish the cast, this generally is free healing because nourish is so cheap.

Rejuvention is a spell that seems really good in 25 man, I don't raid that size so I'm not 100% sure of what the healing situation looks like, but I'd try to use alot more of it then you're currently, it shouldn't be any problems but if you run into heavy mana issues then I'd suggest moving away the mana spent on regrowths and healing touches to rejuventions instead.

That's probably all tips I can give you, there's also a really good spell information guide in the restoration druid thread on the forums that helped me alot when judging spells on the fly for efficency, if you haven't read that, then that's a good place to start.

Hope I've helped you in any way possible.

Where is this? I have looked, but can't seem to find if on these forums.

http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t130799-...5_0_x_release/
same forum as this thread.

My guild started heroic modes this week I found it almost impossible to keep up in mana on heroic feng. we had to get spriest mana cds just to last though the fight. The only real break we had in healing was Spirit of the Fist
that was because we either shielded the epicenters or stunned them the rest of the fight the raid dmg was fairly high.
i guess my question is how to deal with this i have taken to stacking spirit just so i can feel like i can last thoughout the fight i have been using spirit flask/food. i have logs of the kill and wanted to know if there are any thoughts on what to do here. or am i just miss using my mana.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Spirit flask/food in general is a really bad choice, during 6 out of 9 fights you didn't even get two extra rejuvention from them, in order to gain more from the flasks you should be using intellect flask/food. I don't know what the heroic situation looks live, I've personally only killed the two first bosses on normal, however I as a 10 man raider in ilvl 366 gear is pulling roughly 55k hps when I perform well, never drop below 50k unless the healing isn't nessecary. I also do those kinds of numbers while raid leading.

I'd say that the problem is that you have alot of overhealing from your hots, especially rejuvention which is at 44% overhealing, you also seem to drop lifebloom alot, you should really try to have it at 100% uptime at all times since it is _the_ best healing spell of druids when it comes to mana efficency (2k mana for 15 seconds of steady healing is unvaluable).

I'd say that you should work together with your other healers to make sure that your hots isn't wasted as much as they are currently, and then just practice _alot_ of resto druid healing. Put emphasis on doing 6-7 minute intervalls where you end at 10-15% mana, you don't want to run oom during these practices, because you'd have no mana for panic actions such as regrowths that isn't clearcasted and so on.

If I were you I'd go for pure int gems from the JC gems, the difference is only 160 in pure stats, and in general I tend to aim at 1 int = 2 spirit, anything less then that favours int. The haste cap is at 3043, so you currently have 61 haste wasted, it's not much but it can help to reforge this away to mastery.

I also noticed that you have only about 11% uptime on tree of life, the optimal (used on cooldown all the time) uptime is about 17%, and it's a really good mana saving talent so if possible try to use it as often as possible in order to save your, and the other healers, mana, it's especially effective in 25 mans since you can lifebloom even more people. If you need the burst healing that it provides then I'd suggest going SotF instead, it's really effective when combined with Wild Growth and it really helps mending what Druids lack the most, burst aoe healing. I've been tending to benefit alot more from SotF just because I don't need the mana saved from Tree of Life, and my raiding group (10 man) lacks good burst healing. SotF is also really good to use with lifebloom on periods where no one but the tanks take damage, for example during the phase changes on Feng the Accursed.

I generally also tend to favour Heart of the Wild as my level 90 talent because it provides a solid boost, and therefor helps me save mana in general compared to the burst healing of Nature's Vigil, which tends to put my overhealing over the roof compared to my 20% average currently. It might be worth thinking about if you don't need the burst once again.

My highest recommendation is to stop favouring spirit that much, in the resto thread Hamlet have done some math about spirit vs Intellect, and as you can see in those posts, Intellect tends to benefit mana regen alot more then people think. I'm currently sitting at 8000 spirit, with my both trinkets being regen trinkets my mana regen equalls to 9400 spirit, you're sitting at 9700 without any kind of spirit proccs or anything factored in, so if I were you I'd gear alot more for int then the spirit you're stacking right now. Aim for roughly 11k spirit, at max, with healing proccs included (average of the spirit ofc, the Darkmoon card should be about 700-1000 spirit in average.

Wow this was longer then I expected, if you have any questions I'm open in PM's, here's a link to my raids:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
It might help you plan your healing abit.
However I do go DPS on gara'jal because I'm the only healer who can pull close to decent DPS,

Just a few notes:

I wouldn't worry too much about the over healing of your HoTs, that's simply the nature of Druid healing and is to be expected.

From looking at your logs I can toss out a few pieces of what I hope are good advice:

• You only cast Tranquilty and ToL twice in an eight and a half minute fight. Both are relatively cheap healing. Unless you are being asked to specifically use them during certain times (which I can see for tranq, but not really for ToL) you should be able to utilize both spells three times, which should net you both healing gained and mana saved. (For what it's worth, you only used NV twice as well and NS 4 times).
• This brings me to my next point, I don't see as much LB healing as I would have expected, especially from the bloom portion - what are you doing in ToL? For example, my kill last week had almost 500k of effective healing from blooms and you had just over 30k - are you not blanketing LB with ToL?
• i think this goes hand in hand with the above, I had almost twice as much living seed healing, which I suspect is from my 40 regrowths cast vs your 19. Again, many a result of OoC procs during ToL. They could also be with favoring Regrowth as my default direct heal in many circumstances.
• You cast 34 nourishes over the course of the encounter. Nourish is a hugely underwhelming spell at the moment, and basically is not worth the mana cost to cast it. You would probably be better off casting another Rejuv.
• While Mushrooms are pretty terrible, they are fairly cheap. This encounter in particular has several occasions where there is some small down time in healing in which you can take the time to set them up, and make use of them, which could save a little bit of mana.
• Lastly, while always easier said than done, especially during burst damage phases, if you find you are running low on mana try to cast fewer rejuvs.

As far as your gear is concerned, you are logged out in PvP gear so I cannot comment on it. I think your spec is fine as long as you maximize NV.

With regards to food/flasks/gemming:

While it is mostly going to continue to be your preference, I think that using the spirit consumables are doing you more harm than good at this point. Cast less Rejuv, maximize things like ToL, Tranquilty, OoC and you will make up for any mana gains you receive from spirit food and flasks. Your gemming isn't terrible from what I can see of it, but I've opted for more hybrid spirit gems than straight spirit gems in an effort to retain some throughput. I question why you use a blue gem in a red socket where the bonus is an additional 60 spirit (I'd put a purified there). You are also utilizing a lower quality leg enchant, where upgrading it will gain you a little spirit. Additionally, if you are so concerned about your spirit, consider utilizing a spirit/mastery gem in your yellow socket.

Largely, I think cleaning up a few things in your play will net you better results than over-emphasizing spirit, if you can find a balance between the two, you should be in a better place. Until something changes you will continue to struggle with mana while dealing with burst healing (as will all Druids), but you can maximize some of the tools you have now to help in the interim.

Another small thing is the only 4 uses of Nature's Swiftness throughout the fight. Are you planning out your NSes for something in particular? Just using NS more frequently can effectively give you way more longevity in terms of efficiency/HPM than having a flask/spirit food up the entire fight if you get solid effective healing out of them.

e: Similarly only 3 uses of Barkskin is a small area to tweak. If raid damage is heavy and consistent you can get more value out of it by just burning it rather than trying to save it for that perfectly ideal moment.

How do people feel about Windsong vs Jade Spirit vs Heartsong(?)? I've been reading a lot of bashing on Jade Spirit being underwhelming for healing, trying to get some help.

Stats weight and gems

Is it worth to go to 80 int + 160 Mastery rather than 160 int on red slot?

Same question for 320 Mastery or 160 Mastery + 160 spirit/haste on blue/yellow slot.

Int > 1.5 spirit (individual) > 2 mastery, personally I go for spirit/int gem in red and spirit/mastery in yellow as long as the set bonus is something usefull, when I feel my mana is alright I'll go for int in red and mastery/int and spirit/int.

Windsong had an insane uptime last raid, close to 90% over all our boss kills while healing, but I've read that they "fixed" it so that it won't procc as easy, however I keep proccing it really easy when using wild growth and it seems like the procc rate is still somewhat broken, I'll check out jade spirit next raid.

So do you think windsong or jade spirit is better for throughput? Jade spirit is much more expensive, so I don't want to put it on my 463 weapon if it's about equal to windsong.

Well, the decision is yours, 25-30% of the time you'll have 1500 mastery, (ignoring crit and haste since those are going to be wasted half the time)

The Jade Spirit enchant averages to about:
Int Buff: 429 Int
Spirit Buff: 49 Spirit

*Note, not my numbers, copy paste from wowhead*.

In general I'd think jade spirit is better because it's a large enough gain to be noticable so that if you track it, the extra healing put out won't be wasted. Mastery in general is quite weak and I'd dare say the others are barely noticeable while healing.

(25% mastery up time = 375 average mastery) The nerf got my numbers down to 60-80% uptime depending on fights.