Hello guys im klydefrog, id like some help with the haste break points and understanding them.
I thought I had them worked out and down to an art but it appears ive totally confused myself and im now doubting my understanding.

Ill link my profile and i currently have full haste reforge because of the reforge lite addon tryint to get me 5273 haste
Klydefrog @ Darkspear - Community - World of Warcraft

Id like to know/understand how much haste i can have without NG or Mookin aura and reach the highest breakpoint.

My understanding was that 425 was 1% haste, so in my current gear setup i have 32.04% haste with both buffs meaning i have 13617 haste rating but i assumed this ment i was over the 10289 haste breakpoint. I looked at Hamlets guide and i see the breakpoints are 5273, 10289 and 15318.

Is this correct?

The basic point im trying to make or find out is how much haste i can have (actual stat like 1000) without NG or Moonkin aura.

Any help here would be much appreciated!

Thanks klydefrog

Could you give me numbers without NG and moonkin aura?

Im not able to grasp the idea.. even if you could write down some calculations please.

It's not worthwhile to gear to a breakpoint outside of what you can attain with Moonkin Aura and NG. Tangedyn has a spreadsheet here with all the required haste percentages: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Hc&hl=en#gid=1

e: My assumption is that you don't know what the breakpoint numbers mean. You need 5273 haste rating from your gear in addition to the haste granted from NG and Moonkin Aura to gain that extra tick.

Computations:
Without 4t14, MF is a 14 second dot.
If you want +3 ticks, that will be ten ticks.
10=Round(14/tick-duration,1)
9.5 <= 14/tick-duration
tick-duration <= 14/9.5
tick-duration <= 1.473684,
Wow tick durations are rounded (round-even) to the nearest millisecond.
tick-duration = RoundEven(2/(1+haste), .001)
2/(1+haste) < 1.4735
2/1.4735 < 1+haste
1+haste > 1.357313
1+Haste = (moonkin aura=1.05)*(nature's grace=1.15)*(1+ haste rating/42500)
1.357313 / 1.05 / 1.15 - 1 <= hasterating/42500
.124068 * 42500 <= hasterating
Hasterating > 5272.904
Giving the 5273 breakpoint.

If you want to leave out the 1.05 and 1.15, you end up with
.357313 * 42500 < Haste rating
Haste Rating >= 15185.78

As Lazer said, not practical.

If a fight is typically going to end right before you'd get your cooldowns back up (so fight lengths of 2:50, 5:50, etc.) it's possible that HotW will be better than NV. DoC is theoretically better with 4t14 on a fight without movement, though I'm dubious of its applications in a real raid environment. SotF is devalued by haste, which is our best stat up to breakpoints, so I can't see a situation where it would be better than Incarnation.

First off, thanks for looking - it's very appreciated. I need some serious WoL feedback. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I know my DoT up-time is bad - and I don't know why (not doing anything different from Cata as far as DoT's). I think I'm primarily screwing something up in movement-heavy fights, I seem to level out / catch up a bit when I can park and play.

I've literally gone from being top DPS in my guild last xpac, to below tanks and the new, very under geared boomie we just picked up. There are plenty of fights where I'm damned near - if not actually - the bottom. I will lose my raid spot soon if I don't fix this, and I'm an officer. That'd be embarrassing.

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I used to rank on WoL all the time - now I don't have a single one, and I'm not close to sniffing any, either. I'm banging my head into a brick wall - I don't know what the hell I'm doing. If anyone wants to screw around in-game, let me know. I'm open to anything at this point.

Using my log from last week's Protectors kill for comparison:
Mathian (7:47 fight length, 80560 DPS)
71 SF
45 SS
78 Wrath
14 Starfall
41 MF
50 SuF


Lazer (6:03 fight length, 108326 DPS)
69 SF
44 SS
27 Wrath
12 Starfall
27 MF
27 SuF

1) You're using Wrath way too much and as such are spending less time using Starfire, which has a higher DPET than Wrath by a considerable margin. I only had 2 fewer Starfire casts than you in a combat that lasted 1:40 less and you spent a much larger portion of your time casting Wrath compared to me. You should be using Starfire as your primary nuke during Celestial Alignment.

2) It looks like you're spending too much time casting DoTs. You should be applying both DoTs at the beginning of each Eclipse, at the beginning of CA and as your last cast exiting CA, then cycle through to your next Eclipse.

3) It looks like you understand not to cast more than one Starsurge per Solar except when the cast to exit Solar would be a Starsurge, but you should be using it on cooldown outside of that situation (including outside of Eclipses).

4) Every usage of Incarnation should be at the beginning of a new Lunar Eclipse, and you should use CA immediately after that Eclipse ends. You should save a Starfall to cast before you enter Lunar to get three consecutive buffed Starfall casts. You're looking at a CD rotation like this: get to 75 Lunar Energy -> Starfall -> Wrath -> Incarnation + NV + Potion -> DoTs -> Starfall when the buff runs out -> Starfire/Starsurge til 0 energy -> CA + both DoTs -> Starfall when the buff runs out -> Starfire/Starsurge til less than 2 seconds on CA remain -> both DoTs -> continue toward Solar. It's VERY important to be doing this during Heroism. Moonkin are incredibly bursty right now, so executing this CD rotation is critical to optimizing DPS.

Hope this helps. PM me for my realID if you need anything else.

Your opener is suboptimal. Read point 4 in the post above yours if you're looking for the standard opener. You're also not using potions, so I frankly don't understand how you expect to do top tier DPS without maximizing everything about your character. Use a potion just before the pull so you have it for your first round of cooldowns, then use another at a different point in the fight along with all your cooldowns again.

I am useing a pot before we pull aswell as a pot later on in the fight. Forgot to mention it but i think its in the logs

Hello,

Posting here on behalf of my wife, who is looking to improve her DPS.

Armory: Serathi @ Turalyon - Community - World of Warcraft

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She uses Ask Mr. Robot to optimize her gear which uses a stat priority of: Hit Haste (35.73%) > Crit > Haste > Mastery which seems reasonable, and also uses a spell flash add on to help with her rotation (Bitten's SpellFlash: Druid - Druid - World of Warcraft Addons - Curse) so I assume her rotation and gearing is fine, I would be very grateful if someone can advise on what she can do better based on the logs. Is she just losing too much dps when moving?

Alright mate. Chuck me a whisper in-game. I will be happy to help if it is still required.