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Old 10/25/12, 2:20 PM   #31
mstWeal
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Gara'jal the Spiritbinder
Use Stampeding Roar at the very beginning of the fight to help melee get to the boss asap.

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Old 10/26/12, 11:28 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by mstWeal View Post
Gara'jal the Spiritbinder
Use Stampeding Roar at the very beginning of the fight to help melee get to the boss asap.
This boss has rather short pull range and if you stay stacked on the boss during the encounter noone has to move to the boss at the start - the boss moves few steps towards the raid.

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Old 10/28/12, 5:38 PM   #33
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While Mass Dispel on Spirit Kings can help, priests can glyph it for a near instance dispel. Instead, Symbiosis a Shaman for Purge, to help remove the darkness shield.

Also, make sure to Soothe Meng, though you may not want to Soothe him when he is high energy, especially during cowardice.

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Old 10/31/12, 12:04 AM   #34
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For Bladelord Ta'yak, 10man Normal

1. DPS is no strict requirement at all in any part of the fight at least on normal 10man.
2. HotW during the frogger tornado end phase can be very useful and can easily make the difference between a kill and a wipe if one of your healers gets caught in a tornado.
3. To go along with HotW, I took feline's swfitness so I could keep moving quickly enough while rejuving the raid to get to the other end easily. If you aren't using HotW, hop into Cat form.
4. Stampeding Roar is very useful. If you have a warrior, Symbiosis them to give them Stampeding Roar. Although I would be careful about intervening before Hidden Attack since you might take a double share. Didn't actually test that though.
5. If no warrior is available, you might want to help out a Hunter friend with Dash.

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Old 10/31/12, 4:08 AM   #35
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Lovely thread !

On Elegon HC, for soaking total annihilation + useful dps boost on charges for your raid, symbiosis a dps death knight.
Rogue shadow cloak doesn't work, warlock's unending resolve is a safer total annihilation soaker, but doesn't bring raid dps.

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Old 11/01/12, 5:48 AM   #36
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What would guys suggest is the best thing to cast during the movement phases of Imperial Vizier Zor'lok? So far I could only focus on spamming MF/SnF and SS on proc, however, the phase is so long that usually the DoT I spam will overwrite the NG application. Thought about shrooms but so far I've found putting them in this particular situation kinda inconvinient.

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Old 11/02/12, 5:21 AM   #37
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Additional question: What would you guys suggest is the best AOE rota during the add phase of the fourth boss in HoF (or in general if AoE is needed)?

During the fight there are first 6, then 5, then 4 mobs aoeable.

AoE options:

staying in solar!?
is it worth to dot with sunfire?
shroom on cd or just set shrooms up when forced to run?
hurricane in between dotting and shrooming?
transitioning at all?

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Old 11/02/12, 7:45 AM   #38
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Normal Heart of Fear observations

- Imperial Vizier: No clue what to do while dodging spheres, I've tried both sneaking hard casts (should be better in Solar to Lunar since Wrath casts are shorter, but you will get hit by some of them. You'll survive it on Normal mode though) and spamming Moonfire/Sunfire. I wouldn't worry about overwriting NG too much since the buffed DD component of 2-3 casts is greater than the 1-2 ticks that you lose by overwriting a DoT with NG (plus you'll have more time remaining on the DoT).

- The tornadoes guy: Feline Switness in Tier 1 is probably the better talent. Additionaly, you run faster in Cat Form but you lose the ability to cast instant Rejus on your party while moving, and most of time you'll want to stay grouped with the raid to get healed. Use Stampeding Roar of course, and cast Symbiosis on a DPS Warrior to give them an additional Roar (just as hercdeisel says)

- Garalon: dot everything, focus the boss (other classes gain extra cleave damage on the boss by focusing the legs, you don't).

- Wind Lord Mel'jarak: I think it's better with Moonfire/Sunfire spam and instant Starsurges on the AoE phase.

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Old 11/02/12, 8:25 AM   #39
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Will go through and update these shortly, but wanted to point out that according to some forum posts Starfall isn't breaking the CC on the adds for Wind Lord Mel'jarak as long as the spears are being used (not manual CC like Polymorph). Can't confirm myself as I was being very careful to position myself out of range.


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Old 11/02/12, 8:31 AM   #40
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Well, the spears are considered a stun and nothing breaks a stun so it seems reasonable.

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Old 11/02/12, 8:46 AM   #41
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For the Imperial Vizier, I found using Lunar Shower and spamming MF / SunF with the passive extra Intellect from HotW gave me the best overall dps results. You can also, if you wish, use the activated portion of HotW as well, since his melee hit box is huge and you can very easily (and safely) dodge the discs whilst putting out some decent dps.

I personally saved mine for an empowered Tranquility on the kill attempt but did make use of the Cat moving-and-dpsing trick I mentioned above. Both work well and makes HotW a more serious contender for this encounter.

EDIT: Just had another potential thought as well - assuming the glyph of Cat Form applies to a Rejuvenation that is already ticking, you can also possibly eliminate some movement during that phase by using HotW and dropping an empowered Rejuv on yourself along with the glyph. Obviously I'm not advocating to stand in the fire, but those Rejuv ticks for my Druid would be about 40k or so, so one or two hits could be outhealed by Rejuv. Alternatively, a NS-HT with the glyph could probably fill up your entire health bar, assuming the glyph works the way I'm thinking it does.

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Old 11/02/12, 8:50 AM   #42
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They do/should break through direct damage though, otherwise you could just include them into the aoe
Impaling Spear - Spell - World of Warcraft
Also its apparently an Incapacitate and no stun, huh, didn't know that either but it explains the getting free on direct damage.

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Old 11/02/12, 9:19 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Hamsda View Post
They do/should break through direct damage though, otherwise you could just include them into the aoe
Impaling Spear - Spell - World of Warcraft
Also its apparently an Incapacitate and no stun, huh, didn't know that either but it explains the getting free on direct damage.
Damn, that was more then i knew.
Bet Blizzard is going to hit us with a hotfix making the spears breaking on starfall soon.

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Old 11/03/12, 11:43 AM   #44
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Wind Lord Mel'jarak: I've been going thru some logs and it seems that owls who focus on Hurricane/Astral Storm (around 180k-190k dps during whole fight) do much better than multidotting. I myself did mix of those (3xeclipsed DoT->Hurricane/Astral Storm) and did rather poorly (100k-110k dps on our longest tries), however, we haven't used Hero during that phase (which apparently was a mistake).

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Old 11/04/12, 6:05 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
Wind Lord Mel'jarak: I've been going thru some logs and it seems that owls who focus on Hurricane/Astral Storm (around 180k-190k dps during whole fight) do much better than multidotting. I myself did mix of those (3xeclipsed DoT->Hurricane/Astral Storm) and did rather poorly (100k-110k dps on our longest tries), however, we haven't used Hero during that phase (which apparently was a mistake).
Depending on your strategy, it might not be appropriate to AOE all the time. If your raid decides to focus down one particular mob group, from which only 1 mob is active, it is not helpful if you spam Hurricane. Yes you might get crazy dps but that's just not worth it in my opinion. Applying dots to secondary targets gives you time to cast some spells on the primary target. Also, you will have to transition between storms from time to time or you will be oom very quickly.

Also see http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t130885-...iscussion/p11/ for a discussion about aoe options. As far as the discussion went, it should be better to use the eclipsed dot and then AS/Hurricane. WrathCalcs Research is still necessary though. However, my personal experience (on other fights) is that straight away storming without using dots leads to higher dps.

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