Feral Megathread - Page 102

Ghoselle · 01/24/08, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ledneh

Grah, why is so much of our best equipment PvP gear! I hate PvP, and I especially hate arenas.

Because blizzard didn't understand ferals. So its only the newly released gear after places like here had done a lot of theorycraft this is actually itemized for ferals. If you aren't killing illidan, there is a fair chunk of gear you want from PVP for feral cat.

Foxtel · 01/24/08, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Pherox

Now I've read through most of the threads and I havn't seen this brought up yet, if it has, please, please do link me and I'll read it at once!

But sometimes when instancing and raiding I'm seeing redicilously amplified rip-ticks. Normally I'd do 650-700 per tick or so with mangle up, depending on buffs, however I've encountered ticks as high as 900 just randomly, and then later in the fight down to 650-700ish. How can this be? It's surely not any boss weaknesses and no additional buffs I can think of that would boost this so much. Can this have something to do with the mangle timing? (And no, it's not that any double-mangle is up cause of precise timing either, it can happen when I run alone).

Anyone else encountered this yet? And anyone have any clue to why it can happen?

Originally Posted by Torik

I know what it is... It's a mange bug it was from the version 2.0
Some times you can get double mangle bonus on bleeds (damaga*1.3*1.3)

Also be aware that the reverse can happen. If you apply mangle on a target, very shortly after the current mangle debuff expires, it can sometimes ignore the mangle bleed effects bonus and just do damage equal to an un-mangled rip. Re-applying mangle whilst the current rip is ticking won’t alter its damage in anyway (same applies with the 1.3*1.3 rip bonus mentioned earlier), but your new rip once your current rip has expired should behave normally, whether or not there is a mangle debuff on the target. This altercation doesn’t affect shred in anyway.

Ledneh · 01/24/08, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoselle

Because blizzard didn't understand ferals. So its only the newly released gear after places like here had done a lot of theorycraft this is actually itemized for ferals. If you aren't killing illidan, there is a fair chunk of gear you want from PVP for feral cat.

Well, I do more feral bear work than feral cat, is the [Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Tunic] still gonna be better for me than [Vestments of Hibernation] for off/maintanking? It looks to me like an emphatic yes except for the armor loss by comparison (still much more than my [Shadowprowler's Chestguard], though), which means I get to arena. Woo.

Argh I hate arenas, the idea that you can lose your way to purps infuriates me to no end. But I digress.

Duilliath · 01/24/08, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ledneh

Well, I do more feral bear work than feral cat, is the [Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Tunic] still gonna be better for me than [Vestments of Hibernation] for off/maintanking? It looks to me like an emphatic yes except for the armor loss by comparison (still much more than my [Shadowprowler's Chestguard], though), which means I get to arena. Woo.

Argh I hate arenas, the idea that you can lose your way to purps infuriates me to no end. But I digress.

I enjoy arenas - it's nice to know that noone in your team is going to be an AFK-bot...

Anyway, you'll lose some armour and a bit of agility (depending on how you socket), but 90 stamina on a single item is mindboggling.

Torpesh · 01/24/08, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by roquer

Is there a good mod that will equip [Charm of Swift Flight] every time you enter flight form?

I thought itemrack would eventually add it since they have an option for travel form, but it wasn't there last time I checked.

Outfitter will work with it correctly. Sorry, I don't have a link handy on this PC, but it should be easy enough to find on curse-gaming or WoWInterface.

• Vykromond · 01/24/08, 1:27 PM

Yes, the mangle bug is back. I have an 863 tick here: Vykromod - WWS

Brutal Impact is actually quite nice, even in PVE. I wouldn't really want to ditch it just for Feral Aggression. According to current mob theories of attack power (as mentioned in a previous post), putting points above 3 is pointless, and 3 just gives you a debuff very marginally better than Shout and one that you won't always be putting up unless you're willing to shift into Bear while DPSing. The Ferocious Bite part of it doesn't exactly inspire either, it might raise the energy at which it's worthwhile to Ferocious Bite by a few points. I may look at the math for it at some point today, time permitting.

• Caniki · 01/24/08, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by roquer

Is there a good mod that will equip [Charm of Swift Flight] every time you enter flight form?

I thought itemrack would eventually add it since they have an option for travel form, but it wasn't there last time I checked.

ClosetGnome also works just fine with it.

Valynon · 01/24/08, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by Garanthir

I would also ask that unless you are MT'ng with no Warriors (you have at least 1) that have Imp. Demo Shout what good would an improved Demo Roar be? If you are OT I guess it could come in handy in limited situations where your mob might be up long enough for it to be of use. But if you are in cat form for DPS then you'd have to swap back and forth to apply the Roar and that would be very inefficient and plain silly.

Not arguing, just trying to understand your logic.

Purely anecdotal, but coming from someone who has actually maintanked with 3/5 in Imp. Demo Roar, it really isn't worth it. I was able to drop 2 points into Savage Fury and pick up a point in Primal Tenacity by doing so and with my current gear Mangle is ~15% of my damage on bosses, so for 2 points I see a 3% dps increase plus some fear and stun resist. It also allows for faster soloing since Mangle is the weapon of choice.

Since my respec, I have not missed it at all, I simply tell the warriors to put theirs up (I used to, since I had the improved) and I gain a GCD every ~30 seconds which is nice, especially for bosses like Morogrim where every attack counts.

meringue · 01/24/08, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by Valynon

Purely anecdotal, but coming from someone who has actually maintanked with 3/5 in Imp. Demo Roar, it really isn't worth it. I was able to drop 2 points into Savage Fury and pick up a point in Primal Tenacity by doing so and with my current gear Mangle is ~15% of my damage on bosses, so for 2 points I see a 3% dps increase plus some fear and stun resist. It also allows for faster soloing since Mangle is the weapon of choice.

Since my respec, I have not missed it at all, I simply tell the warriors to put theirs up (I used to, since I had the improved) and I gain a GCD every ~30 seconds which is nice, especially for bosses like Morogrim where every attack counts.

Not to burst your bubble, but Savage Fury is Mangle (Cat) only.

BOHIC · 01/24/08, 5:30 PM

Originally Posted by meringue

Not to burst your bubble, but Savage Fury is Mangle (Cat) only.

I don't think he ever meant to imply that Savage Fury adds to your mangles in bear form. 15% of dps sounds about right for cat and I assume he doesn't grind in bear form either.

mesh7 · 01/24/08, 6:59 PM

Originally Posted by Torik

I know what it is... It's a mange bug it was from the version 2.0
Some times you can get double mangle bonus on bleeds (damaga*1.3*1.3)

To look like it works best way to see - go skettis and find elite trees go bear form and:
1) make 5x lacerates and write down the bleeed damage number
2) add mangle look it = damage*1.3
3) wait it all wears off and now add mangle and wait until it 2-0.5 sec left for mangle debuff to wear off and now start lacereting get 5x lacerates and WOOT no mangle debuff but it tics for (damage*1.3) now add mangle and WOOOOT (damage*1.3*1.3)

To have it you must be the only druid so mangle debuff can wear off, in cat you can some times see this bug becouse of rip GCD mangle - standart damage order, if in next 12 sec you get 4-5combo and right after rip end add new rip (it's in time 1sec before mangle wears off, and for some unknown reason server resume count it in damage even it ended) you add new mangle and have rip = (damage*1.3*1.3)

last time in ZA i have this bug two times in order =) (becaose of lucky on crits and OOC and T4 set bonus so can get 70energy + 5combo in 12sec)

Can someone reexplain this double mangle bonus again? I have a friend that swears he can somewhat consistently get the mangle bonus to double up on his rips during long boss encounters.

I tried reading the above post but im not quite following his explanation, unfortunately.

angral · 01/24/08, 7:10 PM

The trick is to apply rip in the last second of the old mangle, then reapply mangle before the frist rip tick. This is very possible as rip ticks every 2 seconds, and cat form has a 1 second gcd.

The entire rip is then affected by both the old mangle and the new mangle.

N.B. You can reapply mangle later and all subsequent rip/lacerate ticks will be affected, but since the main use of this trick is to boost your dps, the best option is to use it as soon as possible.

Sandyr · 01/24/08, 7:38 PM

I know I'm fairly new here, but I've been looking for ways to increase my raid DPS. I've made the switch from STR food to AGI food, from the "free token" flasks from the GBank to greater AGI pots, and so on. I'm not sure if its a problem with my DPS rotation or if it's a gear issue, but I've pretty much found that my top DPS is just @ 1400.

Najentus WWS

Above is a link of the most recent WWS report from a Najentus kill I was in. I was just under the 1400 mark, but overall still number two in the raid. (Granted, our rogue's mysteriously disappeared that night. More often than not they are above me as well as our marks hunter.)

Our guild has had Illidan on farm for just over two weeks, just to throw the average gear level of our raids out there. I was ultimately hoping to find some of you more experienced feral druids out there if you had any WWS reports of... say 1500+ dps. I'm ultimately wondering what seems to be the magic number where our DPS tops off. Any information, especially WWS reports, would be especially helpful.

Chosimu · 01/24/08, 8:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sandyr

Our guild has had Illidan on farm for just over two weeks, just to throw the average gear level of our raids out there. I was ultimately hoping to find some of you more experienced feral druids out there if you had any WWS reports of... say 1500+ dps. I'm ultimately wondering what seems to be the magic number where our DPS tops off. Any information, especially WWS reports, would be especially helpful.

I troll wws quite a bit and some of the higher consistent performers I've seen include:
Lamissa from deus vox: WWS
Arkadu from juggernaut: WWS
Antarin from abanax: WWS
And I have a couple of high parses

Enhancement shamans increase feral dps by more than probably anyone else due to our weapons consisting of entirely attack power. Also having a survival hunter, ms warrior, curse of recklessness and to a lesser degree a ret paladin are all major buffs. Another common factor is mastering powershifting and your rotations along with gearing yourself up correctly. I think 2000dps on a short fight such as gorefiend is certainly possible once you finish your gear set and get all these buffs. It should be possible now with a mangle bot and a short enough fight.

Boevis · 01/24/08, 8:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sandyr

I know I'm fairly new here, but I've been looking for ways to increase my raid DPS. I've made the switch from STR food to AGI food, from the "free token" flasks from the GBank to greater AGI pots, and so on. I'm not sure if its a problem with my DPS rotation or if it's a gear issue, but I've pretty much found that my top DPS is just @ 1400.

Najentus WWS

Above is a link of the most recent WWS report from a Najentus kill I was in. I was just under the 1400 mark, but overall still number two in the raid. (Granted, our rogue's mysteriously disappeared that night. More often than not they are above me as well as our marks hunter.)

Our guild has had Illidan on farm for just over two weeks, just to throw the average gear level of our raids out there. I was ultimately hoping to find some of you more experienced feral druids out there if you had any WWS reports of... say 1500+ dps. I'm ultimately wondering what seems to be the magic number where our DPS tops off. Any information, especially WWS reports, would be especially helpful.

Without 2 t6 I doubt it's possible to break 1500 under normal circumstances, it enhances power shifting so much.

One major thing that will improve your DPS is more Drums of Battle. It's at the point where everyone in my guild that isn't one of our primary Alchs or JCs is switching to Enchanting/Leatherworking.

I'm honestly amazed by Lamissa's DPS. 15% miss on Shreds, only 4 power shifts, 2 Drums ...