Feral Megathread - Page 104

Duilliath · 01/25/08, 6:27 PM

Originally Posted by dukes

Thanks for the update - been out of the loop for slightly too long I think :<

Get gaming again

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Should start using that Elixir of Ironskin more. Made a Hybrid set, which basically consists of some stamina trinkets and enough DPS gear w/ resilience to not get critted, but that'd make a fair bit of a difference. It's not like the Elixir of Major Fortitude has a major impact.

dukes · 01/25/08, 7:09 PM

I've been gaming, just not playing WoW. Farming Illidan for 4 months meant WoW started to drag rather a lot (especially as I didn't PvP other than to get upgrades for PvE gear, which I disliked the idea of in the first place), and a lot of my friends decided the same so a lot of us quit as Team Fortress 2 and quite a few other things came out. I've been playing TF2 and Eve mostly, and had quite a lot of fun, just kept up with most of WoW just because of this thread. There really doesn't seem to be much happening atm, and I'm kind of glad that I didn't keep playing because I think I'd just be very depressed at how long Sunwell is taking to come out.

Yeah, the Elixir of Ironskin is a very good option for getting crit immunity. I just don't (didn't) like using consumables for things like that (I'd rather it be an advantage than something that is standard for a particular set of gear). If you're only slightly short you could use a Flask of Fort instead, although that may be going over the top when you could use a resillience gem instead of something and have Major Fort + Major Agi.

Aranan · 01/26/08, 12:19 AM

Well, then. I feel pretty silly for buying [Band of the Swift Paw] last week and wish I could have spared a friend a fair bit of trouble in getting the [Belt of Natural Power].

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I guess it really is a piece-by-piece decision on what to go for.

bluenote · 01/26/08, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Aranan

Well, then. I feel pretty silly for buying [Band of the Swift Paw] last week and wish I could have spared a friend a fair bit of trouble in getting the [Belt of Natural Power].

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I guess it really is a piece-by-piece decision on what to go for.

Those bracers are not bad at all if you can stay crit immune by using pvp belt, boots, or a s3 helm/chest/gloves.

Hey Dukes, I think I might have gotten that mangle glitch rip - Bluenote - WWS

854 rip tick is my highest I've seen.

Oaken · 01/26/08, 1:07 AM

Originally Posted by Chosimu

I troll wws quite a bit and some of the higher consistent performers I've seen include:
Lamissa from deus vox: WWS
Arkadu from juggernaut: WWS
Antarin from abanax: WWS

So I look at the gear for some of those and, interestingly, they are not (a) socketed with +10 agility everywhere nor are they (b) wearing 2-piece T4. Can't tell Antarin right now because he's in pvp gear. I'd be curious though to see people who really do go with 2pc T4/2pc T6 and see if it makes a noticeable difference. I understand the theorycraft behind it, just interesting to see some of the top tier guild players don't seem to think it makes a big enough difference to care about.

Cluey · 01/26/08, 2:56 AM

Originally Posted by Oaken

So I look at the gear for some of those and, interestingly, they are not (a) socketed with +10 agility everywhere nor are they (b) wearing 2-piece T4. Can't tell Antarin right now because he's in pvp gear. I'd be curious though to see people who really do go with 2pc T4/2pc T6 and see if it makes a noticeable difference. I understand the theorycraft behind it, just interesting to see some of the top tier guild players don't seem to think it makes a big enough difference to care about.

In those reports both Arkadu and Antarin are using 2pT4.
You can tell by looking at the buffs and gains tab, it comes up as Bloodlust.

As for the gem choices I understand that [Crimson Spinel]'s are very popular and most guilds give them to casters first.

Duilliath · 01/26/08, 7:27 AM

Originally Posted by Aranan

Well, then. I feel pretty silly for buying [Band of the Swift Paw] last week and wish I could have spared a friend a fair bit of trouble in getting the [Belt of Natural Power].

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I guess it really is a piece-by-piece decision on what to go for.

No worries - I got the s3 bracers for DPS and will eventually pick up those bracers for tanking as I don't think I need the resilience to stay crit immune. Just not in a major hurry as it's not a massive upgrade and I don't enjoy running heroics just for shards.

Draugdae · 01/26/08, 9:43 AM

Regarding the use of [Band of the Swift Paw]: I use S3 head and chest in my tanking gear which gives so much resilience that I don't generally need to concern myself with going out of the way in other slots. This flexibility allows me to focus on getting some hit on my tanking gear, which I consider valuable for the OT role that I fill.

This path also makes my gear very good for switching to dps when my mob is down, since the S3 gear socketed with agility is very solid dps.

Oaken · 01/26/08, 9:49 AM

Originally Posted by Cluey

In those reports both Arkadu and Antarin are using 2pT4.
You can tell by looking at the buffs and gains tab, it comes up as Bloodlust.

Fair enough, I was looking at Armory and not for the T4 buff on WWS. They all had T6 on combined with dps rings, neck, trinket.

Interestingly, Lamissa is not wearing T4 in that WWS - no bloodlust at all - and he's putting out 1,950 dps which is actually higher than the others.

Valerian · 01/26/08, 10:18 AM

Lamissa's average Rip ticks are insanely high at 806.

Rip is ~(1500 dmg + 0.25*Ap)*1.1*1.3*1.04 (for a 5 point rip, despite what the tooltip says).

806 per tick gives 4836 damage. That means his AP needs to be: 7007 (. Unless I'm missing another multiplier somewhere this seems unreasonably high. The report seems too late for the darkmoon buff to be active but that would explain the high numbers throughout it (and only require ~ 5800 AP to make those kind of rip ticks). Either that or he has perfected the art of getting double mangled rips going which would also bring the numbers down more reasonably.

Sproutie · 01/26/08, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Valerian

Lamissa's average Rip ticks are insanely high at 806.

Rip is ~(1500 dmg + 0.25*Ap)*1.1*1.3*1.04 (for a 5 point rip, despite what the tooltip says).

806 per tick gives 4836 damage. That means his AP needs to be: 7007 (. Unless I'm missing another multiplier somewhere this seems unreasonably high. The report seems too late for the darkmoon buff to be active but that would explain the high numbers throughout it (and only require ~ 5800 AP to make those kind of rip ticks). Either that or he has perfected the art of getting double mangled rips going which would also bring the numbers down more reasonably.

You probably missed the 4x T6 set-bonus, increasing Rip-damage with 15%

Valerian · 01/26/08, 10:55 AM

Yup that was it. That drops it to a much more reasonable AP value.

phase00 · 01/26/08, 4:43 PM

Hey guys, I know the topic I'm about to post has been beaten to death, but with over 63 pages of material, it’s pretty hard to weed through. I've tried doing some searches for the info I wanted to find but it’s turned up pretty unsuccessful.

My main questions have to do with feral tanking. I've started pvping recently as a healer so my wowarmory doesn't list my tanking gear so I'll make a quick list here: Currently I'm tanking with full t5, adal's, great protector, juggernaught, den mother, natural power, swift paw, wildfury / pillar, shadowmoon insig, morose.

I was wondering if anyone had a list of the 'ideal' tank gear for a feral druid (if you could have any items you wanted now, what would they be to make your ideal tank set). I have been holding off on looting items because I pretty much suck at theorycrafting and was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice. I have the ability to loot t6, which I know is better than t5 for tanking, but are there any other types of items I should be looking to grab when they drop?

Any input would be appreciated and sorry if I'm multi-posting.

david0925 · 01/26/08, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by phase00

Hey guys, I know the topic I'm about to post has been beaten to death, but with over 63 pages of material, it’s pretty hard to weed through. I've tried doing some searches for the info I wanted to find but it’s turned up pretty unsuccessful.

My main questions have to do with feral tanking. I've started pvping recently as a healer so my wowarmory doesn't list my tanking gear so I'll make a quick list here: Currently I'm tanking with full t5, adal's, great protector, juggernaught, den mother, natural power, swift paw, wildfury / pillar, shadowmoon insig, morose.

I was wondering if anyone had a list of the 'ideal' tank gear for a feral druid (if you could have any items you wanted now, what would they be to make your ideal tank set). I have been holding off on looting items because I pretty much suck at theorycrafting and was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice. I have the ability to loot t6, which I know is better than t5 for tanking, but are there any other types of items I should be looking to grab when they drop?

Any input would be appreciated and sorry if I'm multi-posting.

After T5 level gear, survival really is easy, so personally I believe mixing in threat production is pretty important. Here are a couple of piecces I recommand picking up:

Neck: Pendant of the Titans (If you have the defense already, Brooch of Deftness from badge vendor will work)
Back: Pepe's Shroud of Pacification
Ring: Band of the Abyssal Lord

As for heroic badge reward I personally believe using the Great Beast will get you good additional threat while not gimp you much, if at all, defense wise.

Astrylian · 01/27/08, 5:20 AM

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