Feral Megathread - Page 109

Clausm · 01/30/08, 6:16 PM

Sorry, if my question looks a bit stupid, but has smbd noticed, that the macro with /cast mangle (or /cast mangle (cat) , /cast mangle (bear) doesnt work?

For ex.
/cancelform
/cast Cat Form
/cast mangle

doesnt work for me, but it works fine with other abilities...

seminarca · 01/30/08, 6:57 PM

Shifting to Cat Form invokes a GCD, which is why that macro won't work (you'll be in the Cat Form GCD when it attempts to Mangle). This is the first I've seen of a powershift macro that attempts to cast Mangle as well .. I don't believe that's possible. I'm curious what abilities it actually works with for you.

Clausm · 01/30/08, 7:30 PM

ok, if I'll do

/stopcasting
/cast mangle

I will get the same result

Astrylian · 01/30/08, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Clausm

/stopcasting
/cast mangle

A) I think '/cast mangle' will do nothing because 'mangle' isn't a spell, only 'Mangle (Cat)' and 'Mangle (Bear)' are, and I think you need to suffix them with another set of () so that it doesn't try to read Cat/Bear as a spell rank.
B) Supposing they made '/cast mangle' actually cast the appropriate mangle, then the macro above would first stop casting whatever spell you're casting (which is almost certainly nothing, since you can't cast any spells with cast times in cat form, other than like Pick Herb, etc), then cast Mangle. Nothing to do with shifting at all.

seminarca · 01/30/08, 10:52 PM

I think he means he's now trying:

/cancelform
/cast Cat Form
/stopcasting
/cast mangle

Which will also fail due to the Cat Form GCD.

xyruul · 01/31/08, 12:13 AM

So for the first time in 3 months, I got a crit rate that was almost equal to the crit I should have been getting all along on Teron last night. Behold: 2011 wws
My character screen crit rate is 53.4% buffed, +3% with judgement, yet every week I have had -10% on shred or melee for as long as I've been keeping track. Either I am really unlucky or there is definitely something wrong with crit. I should have 52-53 yellow and 56 white but I've never come close until tonight.
Anyway, that anecdotal blabber aside I really just wanted to post my triumph someplace someone might care since I'm only 7th in my guild and no one notices the kitten deeps.

Fleebenworth · 01/31/08, 12:51 AM

You forgot 'mangle-bot' in your list of buffs =D

Farstrider · 01/31/08, 4:36 AM

There's a problem with that WWS by the way, Teron is 4.9mio damage. That WWS shows 5.4mio damage done.

Kahcheeta · 01/31/08, 8:12 AM

The WWS shows 540k damage from Shadowy Constructs, hence 5.4 mio instead of 4.9 mio. You should edit out that damage to get the real damage done by raid members.

dukes · 01/31/08, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

There's a problem with that WWS by the way, Teron is 4.9mio damage. That WWS shows 5.4mio damage done.

Vengeful Spirit is included as a pet, which accounts for the extra ~500k. The DPS is skewed (RPDS should be about 31k for 4.9mil/154 but it shows as ~36.5k). It looks like the spirit hasn't been assigned to anyone, and I can't work out if it's just factored everyone elses damage up or done something else. The DPS column adds up to the RDPS at the bottom, and removing the bits of DPS from people with very little DPS time still doesn't make it fit. The damage seems to add up when looking at individual abilities though, so I can't see where the parser fiddled it, without just factoring up everything.

It's an impressive parse even if you knock ~9% off everyone's DPS, but it's just... wrong. It's also marred by the wipe at 150k damage done just before :p

As for crit rate, how can you try and take a statistical crit rate from a single parse? 40 shreds is no-where near enough to justify that because you have 56% crit rate, you should have about that in the parse. A single crit/non-crit throws the percentage 2.5% either way. Sure, you might have a lot of parses that show the same thing, but you really need a massive sample in order to do it properly.

Schnigges · 01/31/08, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by xyruul

So for the first time in 3 months, I got a crit rate that was almost equal to the crit I should have been getting all along on Teron last night. Behold: 2011 wws
My character screen crit rate is 53.4% buffed, +3% with judgement, yet every week I have had -10% on shred or melee for as long as I've been keeping track. Either I am really unlucky or there is definitely something wrong with crit. I should have 52-53 yellow and 56 white but I've never come close until tonight.
Anyway, that anecdotal blabber aside I really just wanted to post my triumph someplace someone might care since I'm only 7th in my guild and no one notices the kitten deeps.

I know the feeling: Schnigges - WWS

Check out those crit rates. I have 51% onscreen + Judgement + swapping Agi/WF totem. You cannot belive how mad I was we wiped on the try before because I had finally had luck an had _normal_ crit rates like they should have been and was able to hold 1990 DPS until the dumbass with Spirit had to get a disconnect. On the kill I got again the not so great crit rate.

Just as awesome as your top combat rogue had 20% more crit as ours.

HaklePrime · 01/31/08, 12:21 PM

You're dealing with a 3 minute sample size. It's going to be skewed from week to week.

I'm 100% confident that if there was a 15-20minute fight, where all we did was beat on a stationary mob, the crit rates would be normalized to our character pane.

The RNG is just as bad for combat mechanics as it is for loot :P From crit rates, to crushing blows, I sincerely hope for an 'overhaul' of some kind for WotLK.

Schnigges · 01/31/08, 12:49 PM

Crit per minute / attackspeed would be a nice mechanic

xyruul · 01/31/08, 12:50 PM

Didn't I post like 2 pages ago that the v2 client of wws auto includes ghosts? If you use the old 'v1' method it doesn't. We have tried to upload via the v1 method to fix teron, but then we had issues with other bosses. Ultimately it doesn't matter because Los said he's going to re parse the entire wws database soon and it's on their top list of things to do. Also it has 0 effect on anyones personal dps. The raid dps is calculated by total damage done divided by the time in combat multiplied by the average % of combat time for everyone in the raid. This is of course a stupid way to calculate raid dps and it's being changed according to Los in the wws forums. Personal dps is calculated by your total damage done divided by your time in combat multiplied by your presence factor, ghosts have no factor in this. Presence is found by checking for any actions taken in 5s blocks, so if you do nothing for 20s that will be factored out of your dps, but if you FF in the middle you will only get 15s of time factored out.
If you want a more accurate measure of your dps for the time you spend dpsing, you shouldn't take unnecessary actions when you run out on bosses. The mage class suffers on this for instance since the fireball dot keeps ticking when they aren't dpsing.
All of our logs are unedited and just uploaded, I suggest everyone else do the same. The v2 client will be fixed and all the logs re-parsed and editing them could effect that when it happens.

Anyway I have been tracking my crit rate since mid September on Teron. That's about 16 kills (week off for holidays and one Teron bugged and despawnd) and in all the other 15 I had roughly -10% crit. That is a fairly significant amount. Wtb +10% crit the next 3 months to balance out!
Ignore the wipes, it was a bad week. ^^

Astrylian · 01/31/08, 1:17 PM

Toskk has been doing some tests on the combat tables lately. I'm sure he'll post his findings soon, but they may explain your missing crit rate. Looks like bosses have some form of bonus anti-crit, just like they have extra chance to be missed. Also prepare yourself for the idea of white attacks being two-roll. Again, not sure, just got a large sample size of data and working on explaining it still.