I can attest to this whole needing taunt to not resist thing. Five taunts in a row resisted (including challenging roar) on the first boss in Sunwell tonight. That..hurt.

For my fellow fuzzballs who ventured in there tonight, is there *anything* we can do to help out our healers on the demon? I was sitting at 21k with flask, food, improved mark, improved fort and kings. (I normally don't get commanding or an imp.) And I got smacked around fairly well in full t6 mostly gemmed for Stamina.

Free Action Potion will make you immune to the stun caused by Corrupting Strike. You'll still take the 10k damage from it, but being stun immune basically means you at least have a chance to dodge the 2 subsequent 4k-6k hits.

I pop FAP when im the first one entering the portal, with only 2 healers. After that point, 4-5 healers will be watching your health that using FAP becomes unnecessary

Mushroom. All sorted.

oh god yes, why has it taken this long to get such a decent macro for this job?
I've adapted it for cat form powershifting, as it is also very annoying when you try to powershift during a global cooldown and end up standing at the boss hitting with your staff for a few seconds. Not tested it with cat form yet though, at work.

/script local gcd=GetSpellCooldown("Cat Form"); if gcd==0 then CancelPlayerBuff("Cat Form") end;
/cast [nostance] Cat Form

Should work yes?

I wiped due to an old macro that I hit once on the GCD and quickly pasted in caster form :\

In this case this specific macro is not neccessery because with
/cast !cat form
does the same thing. See the powershifting part of the cat post on the first page.

I thought this was obvious, but I didn't literally mean use the [Blessed Qiraji War Hammer]. I meant we would be better served if Blizzard moved to a MH/OH model for Feral Weapon Itemization.

I highly doubt that blizzard will go back to that model (1H + OH), given their expressed interest to consolidate loot across classes. Doing so would introduce a new drop category that no other class would want. Speaking of weapons, any other Tauren players put off by the change to our weapon size? My sheathed weapons look like twigs now. Apparently it was changed to eliminate them clipping with the ground.

Also, unless the new Omen isn't profiled correctly, I noticed a rather large increase in my TPS last night. I was able to consistently hover around 1500 TPS, where I usually manage around 1000 TPS (During Raids). Anyone else notice something similar? I was wearing my normal gear suit, no upgrades yet. I asked our warriors and they didn't really notice much of a change. The only change I can think of that we received was the AP scaling to Lacerate. I apologize that this is highly anecdotal, I was just curious if anyone else had a similar experience.

The only thing I did notice was my attack speed seemed to go through the roof last night. I don't have any haste gear whatsoever, but it certainly felt like I was under perma-bloodlust. Needless to say, I didn't question it much and pranced around killing things.

I noticed much large damage output in bear form as well, especially from my mangle crits. Normally I'm used to seeing 1100-1200 or so, but I recall multiple 1500s with a fairly standard group.

Edit: One thing I just thought about, is people are saying for sunwell bosses its ideal to be armor capped and have a massive health pool and avoid excessive dodge. Does this mean that the pillar of ferocity would actually be an ok weapon for tanking in SWP? More AP than any other tank weapon, str rather than agi for less dodge and even more AP, the most stam and armor of any tank weapon as well.

One of the Wild Magic debuffs is a -50% to hit effect which would make such taunt resist streaks possible.

Not to mention that's a pretty insane multiplier to Druid's only instant/reliable oh-shit button. You already gain almost 50% more hp from a pot because of how the macro works - pots are consumed in caster form, so 2k/16k instead of 2k/22k, for example. 40% more on top of that, multiplicative is pretty hefty.

For comparison, Darkmoon Card: Vengeance is 51 stamina, or 34 stat points.

Only thing you'd want to consider is... do you have -too- much defense? It seems like quite an awful lot to try to shuck in favor of other tanking stats. You could always gear for defense-less tanking pieces like the expertise/hit neck, of course.


Edit: Working backwards...
Nah, it's not so much avoiding dodge so much as not sacrificing stamina and armor for the sake of dodge. If you can rack up 50% unbuffed dodge, by all means go for it. The point is, from what we've seen so far you'll want extremely close to armor cap and a reasonable HP buffer because the encounters can and will gib tanks for upwards of 20k in a couple of seconds. (And dodge doesn't help at all in some of these situations by fight design)

I'd say shooting for 21-22k (more for Tauren - curse you ) with kings/fort/consumables for Kalecgos and 24-25k with commanding/imp for Brutallus is a good goal to set.

This is coming a little close to skirting the policy, but you could also choose not to tank Sathrovarr until more healers arrive. Kalecgos himself makes an awesome punching bag.

I would prefer to see another tanking weapon with defense on it, or resilience I guess, as we can swap weapons in combat.
This would let us perform better in a fight requiring a more hybrid roll, be it tank first DPS after or DPS until you need to pick a mob up.
I find myself still using [Earthwarden] for trash for this reason and it is also part of my threat set because of the expertise.
I also use it when tanking heroics to try and stay ahead of the crazy DPS classes, if the mangle doesn't land clothies die!

What is it about gnomes with an AoE button? They all seem to go mad.

How about this:
create a macro with all the pots (hs, nethergon, ogre brew, healing pots, fel blosson, etc) you can normally use.
Assign it to a button in your castbar
Use this command with your mouse over the button:
/run DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus():GetName())
it will show something like ButtonX
and create your macro like:

/script local gcd=GetSpellCooldown("Dire Bear Form"); if gcd==0 then CancelPlayerBuff("Dire Bear Form") end;
/stopmacro [stance:1]
/click ButtonX
/cast Dire Bear Form

It should work nicely...

Druidus, if I understand you correctly you'd have a macro to hit another button, and have that other button assigned to a macro? That would likely work. I thought that chaining macros was forbidden, but that I think would work okay. I'll try it tonight and see.

This begs the question, if you want Defense (or resilience) on your weapon, which tanking stat would it replace if you were to follow Blizzard's apparently guideline of 4 stats per weapon?

IMO, expertise is a tanking stat, and one of the more important ones for druids. Just 1% more expertise can significantly reduce your chance of taking spike damage from multiple hits, and honestly that's the most dangerous thing that druids cannot reasonably mitigate.

I wish it was on more gear, not less. Earthwarden is, IMO, almost perfectly itemized. If they simply took Earthwarden and made it a iLvl 150 item with the appropriate stats, that would be ideal.

is freaking awesome.

I'd want 5, in roughly the following order:
Armor
Stamina
Agility
Expertise
Defence

If I had to drop something, I'd start at the bottom of the list and work up.

It has been shown that (1) there are druid weapons with 5 stats, and (2) there are main hand/off-hand warrior tanking combos that have 8 stats. So I see no issue in asking for 5. No idea if Blizzard will give us it, or anything at all for that matter.

You miss the obvious thing for a decent tanking stick: 3 sockets.

It's pretty sad that most of the sunwell 2Hers have 3 sockets, and most of the 1H have one. Not to mention all the socketed shields that warriors and paladins can get for tanking.

I had another pretty crazy thought the other day. While the obvious way to get us dps weapons that other can use would be to make the feral AP a property of any weapon, they could instead rejig hunters a bit, and then itemise ranged AP and feral AP as a weapon property.

ETA: surely we can shorten the macro a bit, does the following not work?

/script local dbf="Dire Bear Form"; if GetSpellCooldown(dbf)==0 then CancelPlayerBuff(dbf) end;
/stopmacro [stance:1]

/script if GetSpellCooldown("Dire Bear Form")==0 then CancelPlayerBuff("Dire Bear Form") end;

is even shorter still, by a whole two characters.

True, but you could probably use the "dbf" in the other macro on the shift back in as well.