Feral Megathread - Page 11

Dalamar · 10/12/07, 8:07 PM

Primal Man-catcher..... (updated)

Another failure with Strength instead of Agility.

I am in agreement, spam report Pillar of Ferocity until they change it.

seminarca · 10/12/07, 8:20 PM

Looks like Vengeful Gladiator's Staff is going to be our endgame DPS weapon.

Krag · 10/12/07, 8:32 PM

That staff is pretty disappointing. I think many like me had high hopes for a feral staff in Z'A and probably hoping for an upgraded version of the squid-stick and not a downgraded version of the pillar. Most of the new items seems fairly well itemized so I don't know why we need 70 stamina on what seems to be a dps-oriented weapon.

I'll of course try to get it anyway and hope for a redistribution of stat points even if it doesn't happen before the patch goes live.

Grimgrin Faceguard looks fairly nice, but I wonder if it will be used at all with the absence of a meta socket.

Overall the new stuff looks pretty nice from my point of view (we are working on Kael) and of course I really, really need that bear mount.

Dalamar · 10/12/07, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by xyruul

Yes, you can go bear to cat and drink a pot all with one click. I tried [nostance] and various other things as well as disabling the secure ability toggle. No luck :/

Yeah I have been having the same problem, going across forms with pots is working, but the same form to the same form isn't just gives errors.

Boevis · 10/12/07, 9:21 PM

Originally Posted by Malazaar

http://www.worldofraids.com/news/oct...rena/staff.jpg

Vengeful Gladiator's Staff
62 Stamina
46 Strength
22 Hitrating
46 Critrating
33 Resilience
1110 FAP

Also, there's a BB like trinket from Zul'Jin which is 150 ap average that might be better than current endgame trinkets for us (at least it's a viable alternative).

God damnit, could they have at least put some thought into this item and given it 46 Agility instead of Crit Rating. Don't get me wrong, I'll take crit rating on some of the clearly amazing rogue items, but on "New/Best Feral Staff" putting Crit and or Dodge ratings is just insulting.

Larisroth · 10/12/07, 9:29 PM

So they might as well give us pots and procs in feral forms then.

From the list on wowhead I see one feral item in ZA, and it's the above mentioned weapon. As badge rewards there are maybe one or two pieces that would be small tanking upgrades for your typical raid doing T5 content. The other interesting items are all rogue items, which at least they've started itemising with agility more of the time.

I'm actually really interested in seeing the season three feral set, that's the one thing that they've added to the list since the other changes came out, and so our one hope that they actually understand the consequences of the way they've changed things. Sure it's for arenas so there's going to be some arena stats on there, but hopefully it will have a good amount of agility and less strength as well as no intellect and healing.

I need to think about it a bit more but I'm not convince that they can itemise hybrid stuff for us any more without it being greatly inferior for dps.

Bloodwood · 10/12/07, 9:32 PM

Why is the new best feral staff on an arena item which most of us will never be able to get again?

Grizlock · 10/12/07, 10:46 PM

If this is what we get, then I have little hope for us ever getting any type of proper weapon for DPS. Don't get me wrong, all of the other feral changes are absolutely amazing. I just don't think it's unreasonable to get a semi-optimally itemized weapon. It's just mind boggling that anyone comes up with this itemization formula.

The S3 staff is the new PVE weapon to get. I'm not big into arena, and I don't' think it's worth the effort to try to maintain that rating for a slight upgrade over season two maul.

Here's hoping that they added an unprecedented two feral weapons to the ZA loot tables. Maybe the timed epic quest yields a T6 equivalent feral DPS weapon. I guess it's too early to say, but regardless it doesn't change the fact that the new weapon is close to useless.

seminarca · 10/12/07, 11:07 PM

It's not optimum by any means, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it's useless. It's arguably an upgrade over Terestian's Stranglestaff, despite the high Stamina and armor penetration, 1179.26 AEP vs 1052.47 using Toskk's 2.3 sim .. so it'll be useful for those who don't arena, or can't score enough personal rating to get Vengeful Gladiator's Staff (Merciless Gladiator's Maul is a small upgrade at 1197.91 AEP so it's obviously still an option).

Nathariel · 10/13/07, 1:36 AM

OK had a quick play with the new [Idol of Terror] and it seems likely that the 85% proc rate mentioned earlier is correct. (Procs most of the time, occasional non procs off the first Mangle in cat form)

It also appears to have a cooldown of its buff length as I was never able to get it to proc when I had the buff.

Edit: Bear procrate may be lower than cat or I am having a string of bad luck.

Was able to get 6 consecutive procs in cat form (6 buffs in 1 min)

• sadris · 10/13/07, 1:55 AM

Originally Posted by Bloodwood

Why is the new best feral staff on an arena item which most of us will never be able to get again?

Oh please, I was able to get to 2150 with 75 resilience and a 120 resilience rogue partner. Don't expect to succeed in PVP with a PVE spec, just like a warrior wouldn't get very far in arena as prot.

Jini · 10/13/07, 2:10 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

Oh please, I was able to get to 2150 with 75 resilience and a 120 resilience rogue partner. Don't expect to succeed in PVP with a PVE spec, just like a warrior wouldn't get very far in arena as prot.

I was under the impression the arena ratings system was set up to limit the number of people able to attain ratings such as 1850 or more. So, by design, many people will not be able to get the s3 weapons.

Or am I mistaken, again.

david0925 · 10/13/07, 5:14 AM

Originally Posted by Jini

I was under the impression the arena ratings system was set up to limit the number of people able to attain ratings such as 1850 or more. So, by design, many people will not be able to get the s3 weapons.

Or am I mistaken, again.

You have a personal rating, and due to the design of Arenas, in which ideal point net gain = 0 (of course, people abandon low rating teams, skewing that number), you are correct about the fact that only some people can get to 1850 personal rating and get the weapon.

And that is exactly the reason they added personal rating to the system: to limit the number of people getting S3 weapons

Bloodwood · 10/13/07, 5:42 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

Oh please, I was able to get to 2150 with 75 resilience and a 120 resilience rogue partner. Don't expect to succeed in PVP with a PVE spec, just like a warrior wouldn't get very far in arena as prot.

Were you rolling around in BT/Hyjal gear?

Honestly, I'm having trouble getting out of the 1600 bracket with my rogue partner, I've got about 200 resillence/9k hp/1400 healing, full arena spec and he's pretty much kara/gruul/mag geared.

Probably a skill issue, just not sure whose it's on.

Cluey · 10/13/07, 5:52 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

Oh please, I was able to get to 2150 with 75 resilience and a 120 resilience rogue partner. Don't expect to succeed in PVP with a PVE spec, just like a warrior wouldn't get very far in arena as prot.

While some players, like yourself, may be able to get a high enough rating to score the new weapon there are others who can't or who aren't interested in arena's.
I have had a go at arena's now and I did get a bit better with more familiarity but with a good ping being 400ms and my normal ping being 500ms they are more an exercise in frustration, especially as a melee class.

To me it seems rather silly that the best PvE weapon we can get comes from PvP which a feral spec isn't very good at.

I agree about the [Item not found!] being disappointing.