Feral Megathread - Page 15

Nathariel · 10/15/07, 11:59 AM

[Signet of Primal Wrath] is from the timed loot, it is quite possible that this is also the case for [Signet of Eternal Life]

Dyvozvir · 10/15/07, 1:04 PM

1. I read here about 10 posts of changing new idol of terror while in fight.
but... isnt it rediculous? after you change it with a macros next 10 s buff wouldnt stay with you (why should it)?
I have not tested it myself (not on ptr atm) but on live servers pretty all temporary buffs granted with items will be lost as soon as you change it.

2. As for my guild current progress (wiping on kael) i see 2 items upgrade for tanking (cloak, idol) and 1-2 for dps (boots and my be rogue-style chest)
Any idea if we can try to stack armor penetration for good? or will it be lost of dps compared to agi/ap/hit/crit itimization style?

3. Instashifting...is it a time to blow dust from BWL trink for shiftrush ?
even if cat-cat shifting will be restricted.... any1 tried cat-bear-cat instashift?
it will be awesome if it works even with double shift cost.
its also possible to use old LW helm, that gives furror/2 effect... doing about 10 shifts + shreds can do pretty good dps burst
if that all can be real: shadowpriests can be awesome for manaregen

Krag · 10/15/07, 1:35 PM

Originally Posted by Slouken

So I got clarification from the designers that they're fine with druids shifting out, using something, and shifting back. The cost there is the mana in caster form, and the loss of rage/energy, etc. in the feral forms.

Now to find out why it's not working. There may be a technical limitation rather than a design one in this case.

Some good news.

Valerian · 10/15/07, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dyvozvir

3. Instashifting...is it a time to blow dust from BWL trink for shiftrush ?
even if cat-cat shifting will be restricted.... any1 tried cat-bear-cat instashift?
it will be awesome if it works even with double shift cost.
its also possible to use old LW helm, that gives furror/2 effect... doing about 10 shifts + shreds can do pretty good dps burst
if that all can be real: shadowpriests can be awesome for manaregen

New blue post in the thread I linked above saying they're looking into why form->same form shifting is not working. Its NOT because the developers feel its overpowered so it may just be a technical issue.

Also cat-bear-cat instashift wont work since shifting into form activates the GCD.

Krag · 10/15/07, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dyvozvir

1. I read here about 10 posts of changing new idol of terror while in fight.
but... isnt it rediculous? after you change it with a macros next 10 s buff wouldnt stay with you (why should it)?
I have not tested it myself (not on ptr atm) but on live servers pretty all temporary buffs granted with items will be lost as soon as you change it.

The buff stays on after changing the idol.

Malan · 10/15/07, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by Valerian

Also cat-bear-cat instashift wont work since shifting into form activates the GCD.

No I think Slouken's statement is saying that ANY shifting is acceptable, that the designers have said that you pay for the shift in mana and loss of Rage/Energy. I believe that once they fix this you will be able to instantly shift from Cat to Bear, etc, with any non-GCD abilities or items used before/after/between the shift.

[e] And in fact if you look at Sloukens post above that one, the guy he is quoting said that on test he can use this macro to insta shift from bear to cat, cat to travel, etc. The only limitation right now is from bear to bear and cat to cat, which is likely a bug as slouken said.

Malazaar · 10/15/07, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by Valerian

New blue post in the thread I linked above saying they're looking into why form->same form shifting is not working. Its NOT because the developers feel its overpowered so it may just be a technical issue.

Also cat-bear-cat instashift wont work since shifting into form activates the GCD.

It behaves very strange, a macro with cancelform-bear form-cancelform-cat form will always instant shift into the other form, so either cat-bear or bear-cat.

Regarding Idol of Terror and tanking: Assuming you Mangle once every 6.5 seconds (due to lag) and you've got a 82% hit rate with Mangle (parry, miss, dodge) you've got an uptime of about 70% (factoring in 10s cd). That's an average of 51.6 agility, factoring in BoK and SotF.

This is our first and only Idol that actually benefits our survivability in bearform. It's an average of 3.51% dodge 2.06% crit. It may be a slight loss of TPS in a rage-cap situation but it's well worth it imo.

Valerian · 10/15/07, 2:03 PM

Hmm I think people mistook what I said. I was commenting on Dyvozvir's post that mentioned shifting from cat->bear->cat instantly which cannot occur due to the GCD when you shift INTO bear form (or any form besides caster for that matter).

Originally Posted by Malazaar

It behaves very strange, a macro with cancelform-bear form-cancelform-cat form will always instant shift into the other form, so either cat-bear or bear-cat.

Hmm you mean a macro that looks like

/cancelform
/cast Dire Bear Form
/cancelform
/cast Cat Form

If this is the case, then figuring out whats being tripped is easier.

If you use the above macro in dire bear form you get the following to happen:

1. Your stance is set to [nostance]
2. /cast Dire Bear Form checks your stance and sees [nostance], then checks your aura and sees Dire Bear Aura so it attempts to switch you Caster stance.
3. Your stance is set to [nostance] (redundant)
4. /cast Cat Form checks your stance and sees [nostance], then checks your aura and sees Dire Bear Aura (!=Cat Form Aura) so it switches you to Cat Form.

Seems kinda uselessly complicated but thats the only reason why same form shifting wouldnt work, different form shifting DOES work and direct form shifting doesnt work.

edit: actually if my logic is correct the macro:

/cancelform
/cast Dire Bear Form
/cast Cat Form

should work just as well as the one mentioned above. Can anyone check this?

• Vykromond · 10/15/07, 2:03 PM

any1 tried cat-bear-cat instashift?
it will be awesome if it works even with double shift cost.

Yes. It doesn't work.

edit: Took way too long to double-check this even though I was sure it was a wrong assertion, and multiple people already corrected it. C'est la vie.

Nanahanna · 10/15/07, 2:58 PM

I've heard reports both ways, but can anyone confirm/deny if 2t4 is a PPM or % chance on hit?

Valerian · 10/15/07, 3:20 PM

WoW Forums -> [BUG] /cancelform working incorrectly in 2.3

Ha victory!

"Okay, starting in bear form, and then casting this macro:
/cancelform
/use Super healing Potion
/use Master Healthstone
/cast Dire Bear Form()

Will work for 2.3 release. Thanks for the bug reports!

Edit: Note that you are casting the bear form spell, and it's possible to be out of mana at that point."

Brute · 10/15/07, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by monstor

[Band of the Swift Paw]
I think we might have found the best end-game tanking bracers, these are quite amazing.

Those are very nice obviosuly, but we have yet to see the S3 honor bracers/belts/boots. Once those are out it'll be interesting to compare.

Malazaar · 10/15/07, 4:54 PM

Especially since they promised not to waste stat points on healing this time.

Tasonir · 10/15/07, 4:54 PM

Incredible. So, is anyone planning on stacking avoidance and then using either armor potions, or the resilience potion and running non-crit immune?

I think the resilience would be more risky since there would be a slight gap, but the chances of taking a crit at that time would be low, and it isn't certain death (although it could be likely death). I'd probably go with a +armor potion of the two, though.

And of course most people will use it for exactly that which has already been mentioned; health stones/pots.

EDIT: I'm referring to a boss tanking situation here.

Valerian · 10/15/07, 5:16 PM

The resilience consumable is an elixir isnt it? I think its probably worth using the elixir for 35 Resilience since the only defensive elixir thats worth it is the 250 HP one. 35 Resilience vs. 25 Sta (worse cause it doesnt scale with HotW or Bear Form) isnt too hard to decide. 35 Resilience gives a whole bunch of crit immunity too so trading out some Defense/Resilience gear might be worth it.