Since they're also buffing Demo Roar, it may be worth considering Feral Aggression for the tanking benefit as well.

Being level 80 only gives you 71 talent points. 16 in resto leaves 55 for feral

Hey first off, I've been reading these forums for quite some time, very interesting and i've learnt alot.

Now for the help / question...

Well first thing, heres my character -

The World of Warcraft Armory

Im nearly at my ends wit thinking of what i can improve to be able to tank heroics - Currently i have been trying to tank them, but the healers are saying my hp does down to fast and/or i get owned.. lol, That is probably the case..

Any help on what item i can obtain next through normal instances or rep, im happy to hear it, and i'd appreciate it very much...

Also my tanking skills are not the best, i have been 70 for a week or so now, So my Threat generation and Holding aggro seems to be lacking aswell - I believe my skill rotation might be abit off.. This is what i do-

If i need to tank 2, i would - Mangle and lacerate main target, then quickly get a lacerate off on the Second target, someetimes i hold them, sometimes i hold the second target and the main target gets pulled off me, and vice versa.

So any help you could give a fellow nooby druid, would be great and appreciated.

See the third post in this thread and Feral Druid Preraid Tank Gear Guide - Elitist Jerks

The 68 points includes the 16 from resto.
I would probably get 2/2 imp lotp and 1/2 savage fury.

Cool, thanks so much mate , i appreciate it - So in the end, i was on the right track!

I was quite impressed by those alpha leaked feral talents at first. But I somehow have the feeling, those talents are "fix for the current feral + a bit more". When I looked through warrior talents with all those new knock-player-and-mobs-around-stuff, I somehow have the feeling that other classes will again be what I feel superior to ferals, as it is now. So I think even if those talent trees would go live unchanged, they will not be as imbalanced as they seem now.

But I think that feral druids are going to be viable at least in PvE. Last stand, imporved anti-crit-talent, another armor bonus from items and all those talents are hints that the developers are hopfeully aware of some feral tank problems (hopefully). But someone should go and tell them, that cat form leaks some talents which would let it scale properly with gear.

I think, that those leaked druid-talent-trees should receive some more fixes (like a 2T4 talent) and perhaps one or two additional new features (ie: "Brutal Swipe: knocks back up to 3 enemies in front of you. Bearfom, 10 sec cooldown"). Then the druid will have a very good starting position for WotlK, and will not fall behind other classes again (provided there wont be some substantial nerfs with patch 3.1...).

Last Night's Gruul:

Coldbear - WWS

Anyone care to have a look and tell me something I could be doing better? My powershifting is currently all out of whack, I can't seem to figure out a way to get the macros to work right and not get stuck in caster form half the time.

Quick view at your amory: use everbloom idol instead of idol of terror.

You can't powershift while on the GCD. So make sure you have a bar mod that shows the GCD, and stop spamming the button faster than your GCD.

Looks like your group makeup was a bit weird as you gained tree of life a few times. Looking at your rogue, he didn't get windfury either, so your raid leader needs to look at group synergies or get a rogue who knows what to do when he has an enhancement shaman. But then again, as your shaman seems to have been dropping earthbind totem I'm not sure he knows what to do.

If that's your dps gear, you need to get the trinket from heroic MgT and get a real cloak. If that's your tank gear, then you have several other issues, and I suggest you download rawr and start playing with that.

You could try using a modified version of this,

/script local gcd=GetSpellCooldown("Dire Bear Form"); if gcd==0 then CancelPlayerBuff("Dire Bear Form") end;
/stopmacro [stance:1]

it is the first part of my potting macro. USed so as not to get caught in caster form when tanking.

There's no way they're going to add a whole new class, highly dependent on debuffs, and not raise the limit. I wouldn't worry about it at all.

I hope your confidence isn't misplaced - after all they never did fix the priority system for level 70.

Even simple version of powershiting macro "/cast !Cat Form" will never bring you to stuck in caster form. Just dont use "/cancelform"

Add to that:

Get Idol of Terror from badges or if you can't affford that yet go farm old world instances for the Maul/Swipe idol. In fact get a lot more badges and start getting those rewards - belt, boots etc are all good purchases.
Replace Dabiris - you don't need the +def from it and the block does nothing for you. See if you can farm or buy Badge of Tenacity.
Get the PvP rewards - the wrists are immense and the other stuff is much better despite the net loss of armor. Even if you only get the items that you can farm BG for it will be a big improvement in threat as the resilience will allow you to gear for agi/str elsewhere instead of being forced into wearing so much of the Clefthoof set.
Get the Cenarion rep Mace - it's an awesome tanking tool.


If you need to tank multiple targets, Mangle the secondary target first, switch to 2nd (main target) and Swipe. By the time you have done this you will also have an autoattack on the 2nd target. Keep swiping to keep the add on you while you focus on maintaining aggro on the main target.

I guess that's exactly my problem as well. I'm very used to hammering the mangle/shred button and somehow have to get rid of that. Could you recommend a good bar mod to show the GCD?

I've seen a few people (apps) recently using [Idol of the White Stag] for bear for threat. Has something changed? AFAIK the ap from this would even compare to the +AGI (i.e crit) for bear form tps/dps.

I think they increased the AP time to 20 seconds in the recent patch, but still [Idol of Terror] is far more superior, shouldn't they be using that? It's like gemming your tanking gear with pure AP gems instead of agility.

Exactly, my napkin math shows that [Idol of Terror] is superior to [Idol of the White Stag] for tps/loldps - not to mention that it actually gives some mitigation/avoidance.

Some avoidance? It gives you around 4,5% dodge, it's wonderfull. If you use your mangle everytime it's up, you can count on having this amount of dodge for almost half of the fight.

I agree, with some hit/expertise you can keep up the idol buff almost every time if your mangle is up, it's pretty rare to miss mangle now. As for the stag-idol, I think it got sharded every time and may be a resto druid got it for off-spec, it wasn't worth getting in my opinion. Also, having 4.5% dodge is quite amazing even 60% of the fight while tanking the boss.

I would never spend any DKP on [Idol of the White Stag]. I've actually stopped using [Everbloom Idol] in favor of [Idol of the Raven Goddess] for kitty dps, but I'm usually in the melee group, or the three-hunter-and-a-resto-shaman group.