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Old 07/18/08, 7:24 PM   #4601
Tekino
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Macro

hi
on my rogue ive got a macro, to start attacking the enemy when pressing sinister strike and while having not enough energie. so i dont lose auto hits.

why dont this works with mangle?

#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/startattack
/cast Sinister Strike

this is working well, but this:

#showtooltip Mangle (Cat)
/startattack
/cast Mangle (Cat)

does not. with shred it works, but its not that usefull...

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Old 07/18/08, 7:30 PM   #4602
Skysec
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use this

#showtooltip Mangle (Cat)()
/startattack
/cast Mangle (Cat)()

Last edited by Skysec : 07/18/08 at 7:36 PM.

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Old 07/18/08, 8:01 PM   #4603
Hoofhearted
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And the explanation to that is that if you type Mangle(cat) it thinks (cat) is the rank. If you instead type Mangle(cat)(rank 1) it will count 1 as the rank. Typing () automatically picks the highest rank.

Last edited by Hoofhearted : 07/18/08 at 8:21 PM.

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Old 07/18/08, 11:14 PM   #4604
coredumperror
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Originally Posted by Hoofhearted View Post
And the explanation to that is that if you type Mangle(cat) it thinks (cat) is the rank. If you instead type Mangle(cat)(rank 1) it will count 1 as the rank. Typing () automatically picks the highest rank.
Oh so *that's* why that happens. I'd been wondering that for ages!

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Old 07/21/08, 5:39 PM   #4605
loos
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Rip Uptime Question

What constitutes a good rip uptime percentage. Given a melee-favorable fight (I'm using WWSes from Teron Gorefiend) what kind of uptime percentages are people seeing for rip? Is it 75%, 85%, 95%, or perhaps closer to 99%? How much would the numbers change if you were using the 13 second cycle for double rips?

In a similar vein, I assume that the Melee/Shred/Mangle/Rip damage percentages shown in Rawr are for an optimal cycle and therefore should be the percentages I should be shooting for (for number of attacks), is this correct?

Thanks

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Old 07/21/08, 5:53 PM   #4606
Astrylian
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With a 12sec cycle, in a 4min fight, with 4sec to run in and 4sec to build CPs before applying your first rip, with .3sec between rip wearing off and rip applying, your uptime would be ~94.3%.
With a 13sec cycle, in a 4min fight, with 4sec to run in and 4sec to build CPs before applying your first rip, with 1sec between rip wearing off and rip applying, your uptime would be ~89.2%.

Also, correct, Rawr assumes best case possible, which isn't exactly realistic, but that's what you should be shooting for, yeah. Note however that it doesn't handle double rips at all.

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Old 07/21/08, 10:08 PM   #4607
Mimo
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Hello everyone i am posting here for the first time. So i am feral druid tank i have 2 pvp items and i have 391 defense rating and 85 ressilience with 3/3 sotf. I need to know if i am still uncrittable and if there is a graph or something so i can understand the defense cap with ressilience Thank you

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Old 07/21/08, 10:16 PM   #4608
Astrylian
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Originally Posted by Mimo View Post
Hello everyone i am posting here for the first time. So i am feral druid tank i have 2 pvp items and i have 391 defense rating and 85 ressilience with 3/3 sotf. I need to know if i am still uncrittable and if there is a graph or something so i can understand the defense cap with ressilience Thank you
Halfway down the original post. At least try?

The main priorities as a bear are to get un-crittable (for which you need 2.6% anti-crit), get decent amounts of health and armour and, if in an OT or hybrid role, stack agility. 2.6% anti-crit is 156 defence rating (415 defence total) (155 will not do, although the character screen will inform you that you have 2.6% less chance to be crit (415 defence)!) or 103 resillience. You can mix and match, but make sure you check afterwards that you have a total that comes out to more than 2.6% to be safe. Remember that although you need more defence, you do get some avoidance out of it so it's not always most worth getting pure resillience.
Note however that it's slightly inaccurate, the correct def rating is 154, not 156.

(Dukes, can you edit that, and perhaps fix all the spelling mistakes? )

Rawr!

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Old 07/21/08, 10:45 PM   #4609
Mimo
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[quote=Astrylian;821445]Halfway down the original post. At least try?


At which page is it?

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Old 07/21/08, 10:54 PM   #4610
unitsinc
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Very first post of the thread.

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Old 07/21/08, 10:58 PM   #4611
Astrylian
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Technically, the original post is broken into 4 posts, so it's post #3, but yeah. I even quoted it.

Rawr!

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Old 07/21/08, 11:31 PM   #4612
Kaubel
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He asked which page.

Anyway, infractions dealt and no more talk about stupid posters.

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Old 07/22/08, 1:35 PM   #4613
unitsinc
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The other feral thread is for WotLK talents/abilities so this seemed to fit better here.

But I've been keeping an eye out on all the leather thats been coming, and I've seen absolutely zero feral(High armor, strength, agi, stam, and maybe int) leather. It all looks like rogue(agi, stam, hit, AP) pieces, which is not bad for DPS(and high threat, low mitigation tanking), but doesn't bode well for regearing ourselves for tanking.

MMO-champ just released loot from a place that will have gear comparable to Sunwell loot, and the leather pants have excellent stats, 71 agi, 69 stam, 40 hit, and 76 AP, but the armor value is almost 200 less than T4 leggings.

Maybe there just hasn't been any real feral leather thats dropped anywhere yet, but that seems unlikely. And I know, this is still very early in the beta, and things may change, but I thought this was worth noting.

Edit: One more thought, if they increase the armor bonus from bear form by a very large amount, then things might even out, but I haven't heard of anything like that.

Last edited by unitsinc : 07/22/08 at 1:42 PM.

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Old 07/22/08, 1:38 PM   #4614
Hoofhearted
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No point discussing it when we don't have all the facts. It won't be hard to gear up for tanking, you don't have to worry.

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Old 07/22/08, 4:03 PM   #4615
Ja7us
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I remember similar concerns when we started to see the first of BC itemization. I suspect there will be feral leather scattered about, although expect to tank in greens for a while (hey there, Manimal, how goes?).

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Old 07/22/08, 4:08 PM   #4616
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Originally Posted by Astrylian View Post
Dukes, can you edit that, and perhaps fix all the spelling mistakes?
Fixed the defence thing and I've just done a once over and fixed a few spelling/grammar mistakes that I've found.

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Old 07/22/08, 4:18 PM   #4617
unitsinc
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Originally Posted by Ja7us View Post
I remember similar concerns when we started to see the first of BC itemization. I suspect there will be feral leather scattered about, although expect to tank in greens for a while (hey there, Manimal, how goes?).
Yeah, I remember that there were a few excellent greens for legs, belt, and boots I believe. And I hope you're correct that there will be actual feral leather found soon.

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Old 07/22/08, 7:21 PM   #4618
Mordant
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Amulet of Wills
Neck
336 Armor
+36 Strength
+55 Stamina
Requires Level 78
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 25.

Now, if only that Dodge Rating was Agility ...

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Old 07/22/08, 7:28 PM   #4619
TimWischmeier
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Originally Posted by Mordant View Post
Now, if only that Dodge Rating was Agility ...
..this item could even be worse. They will change the conversion of agility to dodge for bears for what I have read (sorry, no source at hand). This might very well be to serve the intend of making items fit for more classes/specs.

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Old 07/22/08, 7:38 PM   #4620
Mordant
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If I'm not wrong, Agility to Dodge conversion wasn't changed. It was Agility to Crit that went up to Rogue levels. No?

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Old 07/22/08, 8:06 PM   #4621
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Changing the agility factors by too much would ruin the hybridization of Druids on multi-stage encounters (ie: Agility gives us dodge for stage 1 in bear form and crit for stage 2 in cat form). I don't believe that is their intention.

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Old 07/22/08, 8:08 PM   #4622
seminarca
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Agility to dodge ratio was changed as well. I believe it went from 14.7 Agi = 1% Dodge to something like 20 Agi = 1% Dodge.

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Old 07/22/08, 8:12 PM   #4623
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At what level?

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Old 07/22/08, 8:32 PM   #4624
dagoose
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Tauren Druid
 
Skullcrusher
how to get 2-t4 4-t6

I was wondering what would be the best route of me using 2 piece T4 and 4 piece T6. I am 8/8 T6 and also have 5 piece T4.

Current DPS Setup:
[Cursed Vision of Sargeras]
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Might]
[Mantle of Malorne]
[Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape]
[Nether Shadow Tunic]
[Thunderheart Wristguards]
[Gauntlets of Malorne]
[Thunderheart Waistguard]
[Leggings of the Immortal Beast]
[Thunderheart Treads]
[Signet of Primal Wrath]
[Angelista's Revenge]
[Shard of Contempt]
[Berserker's Call]

So I am using 2 - T4 and 3 - T6. If I drop my Nether Shadow Tunic and replace it with my T6 chest I will lose way too much hit. I also cannot drop shoulders or gloves (T4). I dont think it is worth it to drop cursed visions to use t6, also the rogues and hunters will be mad if I just ditch my cursed visions :P

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Old 07/22/08, 8:38 PM   #4625
Astrylian
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Rawr can answer that for you.

Rawr!

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