Baggles

This is accurate, but even if rip ticks out for say, 7k, it's still a minor increase over a bite for 6700 with 5-10 energy saved give or take lag. Besides, my glyphs are for resto pvp at the moment, seeing as sunwell clears in 1:10 don't require me to waste my glyphs on them. Still, that increase in dps even with pve glyphs, would be disappointingly minor. I'm not ready to cry wolf until 80, anyway. We'll see how it pans out.

 

Boevis

Yeah Bag, 70 Catform is honeslty just bad. Unbuffed shadowpriests are pulling 2k on the dummies and I'm having a hard time breaking 1800. Bear spec/Glyphs atm, but the new talents just seem underwhelming in comparison to the bearform changes. If/when I respec I'm going to drop Imp Mangle to pick up shredding attacks again, and likely a couple other bear talents for more cat dps and I'll re-evaluate.

Also, I know the priority at 80 is Expertise > Hit > Str > Haste? > Agi > Crit > AP, but at 70 are we seeing the same thing (in terms of Agi being shit)

 

cana

Beta patch 3.0.3 says "Primal Instinct no longer works in Bear" while 3.0.2 talents still say it works in Cat and Bear.
Did they just miss to change the tooltip in 3.0.2 as the nerf was announced some time before release, or is this one of those class changes that didn't make it into live?

I'm back at home on Monday and will test it then (unless I read it here before *g*).

 

Cuer

3.0.3 only changes the tooltip; as of one of the later patches of 3.0.2, Predatory Instincts does not work in bear forms, for any aspect of the talent. This is already reflected in the official updated 3.0.2 patch notes.

 

Oiysters

Has anyone determined exactly how Glyph of Rake works?

 

Nathariel

From using it in Beta, the glyph adds an additional debuff when you cast Rake that lasts the same amount of time as the DoT portion.

This debuff prevents mobs from running away, similar to the effect from Curse of Recklessness.

 

seminarca

Yes, Glyph of Rake merely stops mobs from fleeing at low HP. It's not a snare or anything.

edit: Left the reply window up too long =x

 

Oiysters

So no CoR-style armor debuff for pvp?

 

seminarca

What the hell? Is has no effect on mitigation. The CoR example is only meant to show the similarity in preventing the target from fleeing at low hp. There is no snare at all. It's useless in PvP =/

 

• Caniki

Useless in PVP, but quite handy while leveling. I don't plan on keeping it around after that though.

 

dukes

I'm not planning on carrying on this thread for 3.0 / Wrath. I've added headers to the main posts to say that most of the information is out of date, but left it up in case anyone wants it as a template for sorting a 3.0 post. I'm not up to date enough with the Feral information and probably not even playing as Feral in Wrath, so I don't really have the motivation to update this / keep it updated. This thread is probably long enough that it warrants a re-create anyway.

 

Tublade

Thanks Dukes, for all the time and effort you put into this thread. It has helped me loads for a long time!
(Sorry if this post is not conform forum standards, just wanted to mention this).

 

sibblet

my rip tick is hitting for 700-750 and my ferocious bite is hitting for 7.5k or higher. Bite is currently better for me. Hunter pets are keeping the bleed up 100% of the time for me on raids too.

 

Boevis

One thing I'm noticing, even in cat form, is a "more powerful spell is already active" message on FF. With no moonkin, CoW, or Sting, the only thing I can think of is that since it's affected by AP now for damage in Bear, it won't overwrite properly.

 

seminarca

Should be easy enough to verify this, Boevis. Pull a random mob with FFF in Bear Form, then switch to Cat Form and try to overwrite it.

 

Sarasper

I saw the same today in raid and I was the only druid. Also did the suggested test in addition to popping attack power trinkets. During the test I had no problem over writing the original faerie fire. Could be a different temporary debuff that's causing the conflict.

 

◊ Abradix

It's not AP trinkets, I've tested with both Shard of contempt and Vengeance of the Illidari up and I could overwrite the FFF after both effects had worn off, same with using them individually.

 

scient

I managed to stay in top5 in our BT raid pretty easy with my kitty. DPS ranging from 2300 to 2600 and peaking over 4k on BB (got the only phase tho, 30k FB ftw :>). In contrast i used to be around 7-8 before with ~1500 as the max DPS i could get (Teron). Ofcourse i would expecte even better dps but hey, we have SR coming after 5 levels.

And i was using mangle/rake/shred rip and occasional fb as my cycle, had tons on CPs to use almost always.

 

seminarca

So far, so good. After a full BT clear and Sunwell up to and including M'uru, I've not found very many mobs immune to Infected Wounds (Promenade Sentinels in Council trash and Sunblade Protectors in Kalecgos trash only so far .. so, mechanical robot mobs only). Even the poisonous Aqueous mobs in Naj'entus trash are affected by it.

I can confirm that all of the following mobs are susceptible to Infected Wounds:

Kalecgos
Sathrovarr the Corruptor
Brutallus
Felmyst
Lady Sacrolash
Grand Warlock Alythess
M'uru
Shadowsword Berserker
Shadowsword Fury Mage
Entropius

High Warlord Naj'entus
Supremus
Ashtongue Defender
Shade of Akama
Teron Gorefiend
Essence of Suffering
Essence of Desire
Gurtogg Bloodboil
Mother Shahraz
Lady Malande
High Nethermancer Zerevor
Flame of Azzinoth
Illidan Stormrage
[We had our Prot Paladin tanking Essence of Anger, and he put up the Judgement thing right away, but there's no reason it shouldn't be affected.]

If Thunder Clap or the Paladin Judgement is on the mob already, "browsing" WWS reports doesn't show any message about a stronger version already being on. I'll go through the raw logs later and see if there's anything in there.

 

Inaiwae

I was under the impression that Bash should work as a spell interrupt even on stun immune mobs. I tried that last BT raid but i didnt manage to interrupt anything. I may have tried that on interrupt-immune mobs, or i may have be too slow. Anyone has some experience with this?

 

seminarca

Lady Malande would be the best person to try it on I suppose. I didn't think about trying it on her, but I know she's stun immune and susceptible to interrupts.

 

Melthu

It looks like they missed that change in 3.0.2 but are going to fix it in 3.0.3. Check the latest patch notes for the test server: WoW -> Test Realm Patch Notes

As for IW it does appear that only mechanical mobs are immune. Since last week I've tanked all of Kara, SSC, TK, Hyjal, 5/9 BT and Kalecgos/Sathrovarr and only recall Curator being immune. I tanked Hydross' frost form so it's possible that he's immune to it in poison form, but since the aqueous Naj'entus mobs aren't it's likely that Hydross isn't either.

 

Yaelle

Confirmed, though IW does work on the Void Reaver like trash between M'uru and Kil'jaeden.

 

zimira

The Talonsworn Forest Ravagers above Skettis are also immune and they are elementals (and nature immune i believe). So there exists at least mobs other then mechanical that are immune to IW

 

gobbles

Definitely didnt seem to be working for me when tanking Malande the other night, and the ptr note would seem to confirm the issue.