Feral Megathread - Page 227

Merple · 04/30/08, 9:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cluey

All of the melee damage in the fight is of an elemental type so the amount of armor you have is irrelevant.
Back when I was tanking the adds in, my previous guild, I went for a high stamina and agility set. After a few kills and people became familiar with the fight I used my cat gear and an [Elixir of Ironskin] to help with crits, I don't think I was crit immune but as long as they die fast, which they were by then, it didn't matter. If I was asked to tank Hydross I would make sure I was crit immune.
We got the other phase tank to pick one up and had two ferals, the fourth was grabbed by either a warrior or prot paladin depending on who was there or one of the ferals would grab two. We would configure the groups with OT's in them to have a resist totem and that was about it.

Because I may well be tanking more than one add, and we're just learning the fight, I'm going with ~120 of each resistance self-buffed. Later we can switch to a more aggressive gearing.

raffy · 05/01/08, 1:05 AM

There was a post a few pages back about using SotFL on Brutallus when not under the effects of Stomp. I gave this a shot earlier in the week and noticed considerable TPS gains. I definitely recommend this, as it is a simple way to increase your TPS at the start of the fight at the cost of remembering to change weapons before a Stomp lands.

Aranan · 05/01/08, 1:58 AM

Originally Posted by raffy

There was a post a few pages back about using SotFL on Brutallus when not under the effects of Stomp. I gave this a shot earlier in the week and noticed considerable TPS gains. I definitely recommend this, as it is a simple way to increase your TPS at the start of the fight at the cost of remembering to change weapons before a Stomp lands.

When the other tank is doing the tanking thing, you can shift to cat and work on DPS. If you just put /equip SotFL after the /cast !Cat Form line in the macro, it'll automatically swap for you. Same for the macro to return to bear form.

lairpie · 05/01/08, 2:25 AM

For mother sharahz, it really doesn't matter which type of damage you take more total of. Basically the only way an off tank can remotely die is if someone gets ported on top of the tanks and melee and all the healers are scrambling not to have a 1/4 of your raid die at once, then the saber lash hits. Full tank gear, favoring sta, with SR mitigates more of that burst than just wearing full tank gear. If your guild is short on hearts, by all means, give the off tanks gear last, its very possible to kill her w/o them having SR, but its definitely easier with them having SR. As a note, dodge has almost no value at all, sure you'll dodge some, but its not actually helpful, all it will do it up your shaman / druid overhealing.

Vaccine · 05/01/08, 4:21 AM

Originally Posted by Ledneh

- On Mother, is it best for all three tanks to forego shadow gear, or just the main tank? I've heard it both ways.

None of our tanks ever used Shadow Res on this fight. Full tank gear is better and it can help you recover should the main tank bite it early.

We also found Druid MT's far superior to Warrior ones on this fight assuming equal gear.

Pants · 05/01/08, 4:37 AM

Originally Posted by Merple

Here's a quick question about Feral Talents.

How do Primal Tenacity and Predatory Instincts mesh (or do they).

PT gives you 15% fear/stun resist. PI gives you 15% chance to dodge AoE attacks. In the case of an AoE fear (Nightbane), do these effects stack? For something like Warstomp(AoE Stun), would PT/PI/Powerful Earthstorm Diamond stack to a 35% resistance?

I tested this, kinda. Back at level 60 when the talents first came out, I pulled a mage and tested Primal Instinct for about 60 minutes. Then I specced out of it.

The mage wore maxed spell hit and some spell pen (I think?). I made sure I didn't have any resistances.

Arcane explosion: Fully resisted ~15%. No partials.
Ice Nova: Resisted none.
Blizzard: Resisted none (could be wrong here, was a while ago).
Flamestrike: resisted 15% of initial hits, resisted no ground DoT hits.
Cone of cold: Resisted none.

I basically concluded that PI only effected non-binary damages. This may have changed in the last year and some, of course, and I didn't test fear directly.

Daboran · 05/01/08, 4:44 AM

There is no CLASS exclusion on Gurtogg. Any class can be eligible. He may possibly have an aggro exclusion or a combination of aggro/rage bar logic. I've got Fel Rage as a tank on this fight, though I didn't have aggro and I'm pretty sure that I was in caster form (no Rage bar) at the time casting Innervate on someone.

I wear full Cat dps gear for RoS. Wear a tank staff for the trash and P1.

Phase 1 our Prot Warr starts, then a Rogue tanks the first enrage with evasion, then I tank 2nd normal period (pop Barkskin before you take aggro and wear Wildfury for more dodge. By then for us now P1 is usually over, but on learning we had a 2nd Rogue evasion-tank the 2nd enrage and a 3rd tank in reserve if required.

We are pretty lazy with Mother. We just have 2 tanks in full SR and lots of stamina go afk on top of the MT.

Duilliath · 05/01/08, 4:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jheusse

2 pages ago I got some input on building hydross resist sets, thanks very much, I have done a lot of AH farming and have most of the mats gathered for gems and enchants. Currently unbuffed bear looks like about 12900-13500 health, that seems a little low. I'm looking like about 140 of each resist with just paw, but may dial back the resists a bit to get more stamina back into play. Guidance appreciated.

I think I used 150 as baseline. Together with a Frost Resistance Aura and Nature Resistance Totem/Aspect you'd be fine. Flask of Chromatic Wonder to the rescue as well - it'll be useful on Lurker as well, so yer not totally wasting things.

I'd suggest getting the s3 chest or so if you're worried too much about your health. Drop in 3 +12stam (or +15 stam like I did) gems and you're looking at 90 stamina or thereabouts on a single item. Grab the Commander's Badge from the Netherwing Quests, the Darkmoon Vengeance card or another +stamina trinket, such as the Spyglass.

Make sure you have the epic resist JC thingies.

Falk · 05/01/08, 6:59 AM

Originally Posted by Daboran

I wear full Cat dps gear for RoS. Wear a tank staff for the trash and P1.

Probably don't need to; everyone's armor is 0 in P1. Go for the staff with highest dodge.

Pizoi · 05/01/08, 7:25 AM

I use full DPS gear, with Badge of Tenacity and Moroes' Pocketwatch on RoS. I tank the first enrage, and with both trinkets popped and raid buffed, hit around 94% dodge. Can easily get through the full enrage, and still pull off 1600+ DPS for the rest of the fight. It's a good tradeoff for me, since we're breaking in a new Prot Warrior and threat has been an issue. Going full out with my DPS trinkets can easily lead to me pulling aggro.

Falk · 05/01/08, 9:10 AM

Get the S3 head if you're planning long term - it has the benefit of working with the epic FR set.

Edit: Wow, I think I'm completely on crack; I was replying to the post before my previous post re: resistance fights.

Zeln · 05/01/08, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by Maeltne

I've heard that anyone with a rage bar cannot get it.

This is not contradicted by my experience. I'm only ever got it in caster or cat form.

I got it last night while in bear form.

Sarasper · 05/01/08, 10:01 AM

For RoS, I have a high stam set for taking a ph 1 enrage but if I don't need to do that then I use my dps set. S3 gloves and sign up to be one of the interrupters in ph 2 can free up a rogue or dps warrior to go all out dps.

Ja7us · 05/01/08, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Sarasper

For RoS, I have a high stam set for taking a ph 1 enrage but if I don't need to do that then I use my dps set. S3 gloves and sign up to be one of the interrupters in ph 2 can free up a rogue or dps warrior to go all out dps.

A druid interrupting on P2 sounds like an awfully bad way to use your resources. 35 energy + at least one combo point for a 3-second lockout on a 10-second cooldown (and due to energy and CP issues you probably won't be able to use many other finishers either)? Why not just use two rogues? I suspect the RDPS lost by interrupting as feral is greater than that lost by kicking as a rogue.

Jheusse · 05/01/08, 11:23 AM

Thanks Falk, I am planning on getting the S3 helm long term, to go with S3 chest. Really want to get that 35 resil from S3 instead of the Dragonhide set. The compatibility with the FR badge gear is just a bonus.

And I know I'm obsessing more than I should, but I raid in a large alliance that runs charters, so we don't have tightly rigid rosters, so the obsession helps me be prepared and continue to get slotted.

Ok, since I've beaten that to death, for normal tanking purposes like MT or even OT, 4t4 or 2t4 plus 2S3? Been number crunching some but won't know until I have the second piece.