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Old 05/08/08, 5:11 AM   #3511
Blackfeet
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Arathi (EU)
Hi everyone,
I have read a big part of this megathread but there are still things not very clear to me.
As we are trying Kalecgos and I am one of the tanks I would like to be sure of something: does the resilience really works in pve battles? I always thought it was only a pvp stat so i was going for def rating; however if resilience works for pve it is SO MUCH better (because according to Rawr it seems 1resi = 3def rating).

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For example I had to switch to this lame chocker to be uncriticable. Btw I don't understand why would anyone be using def rating gems as 10resi gems would be AWESOME to reach the uncrit cap.
If it really DOES work I think I will have to change many gems/stuff to trade def rating with sta/agi (and maybe a little expertise).

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Old 05/08/08, 5:28 AM   #3512
Phorage
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Temis View Post
Has anybody actually seen Shadowed Gauntlets of Paroxysm (and therefore Gloves of the Forest Drifter) drop anywhere in Sunwell? I was looking over the various item databases today and they have no data on this believed-to-be trash drop. Does anybody have real data on these gloves?
It dropped off Muru for Premonition, world 3rd. http://www.premo-guild.com/images/killshots/muru.jpg

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Old 05/08/08, 5:35 AM   #3513
Pizoi
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Gurubashi
Originally Posted by Blackfeet View Post
Hi everyone,
I have read a big part of this megathread but there are still things not very clear to me.
As we are trying Kalecgos and I am one of the tanks I would like to be sure of something: does the resilience really works in pve battles? I always thought it was only a pvp stat so i was going for def rating; however if resilience works for pve it is SO MUCH better (because according to Rawr it seems 1resi = 3def rating).

The World of Warcraft Armory

For example I had to switch to this lame chocker to be uncriticable. Btw I don't understand why would anyone be using def rating gems as 10resi gems would be AWESOME to reach the uncrit cap.
If it really DOES work I think I will have to change many gems/stuff to trade def rating with sta/agi (and maybe a little expertise).
Yes resilience does work in PVE, and is a great way to make up for the general lack of defense on our gear. I think it's 39.4 resilience for every 1%.

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Old 05/08/08, 7:10 AM   #3514
Coxxos
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Silvermoon (EU)
I was wondering if there was a general consensus on the best dps gear set post sunwell. I suppose it includes 2t4, 4t6 and two of the new feral pieces of gear but wondered specifically which parts should be selected (which t4, which t6, etc...).

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Old 05/08/08, 7:28 AM   #3515
Yaelle
Von Kaiser
 
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Night Elf Druid
 
Arthas (EU)
Well, I think its more interesting, what you can do to maximize your usefulness during progression. You could wear, 4xT6 + 2xT4 + 1-2 Sunwell/BT random items, if you had 2-3/6 in Sunwell down.

Sure endgame post Sunwell might also be interesting, but this will end up to be our gear to level up to 80.

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Old 05/08/08, 8:39 AM   #3516
Coxxos
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Silvermoon (EU)
That's what I meant (i.e. post 2.4, best dps set up for Sunwell assuming you have access to the first few bosses in there). Sorry if it wasn't clear.

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Old 05/08/08, 10:16 AM   #3517
Carlos
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Eredar (EU)
Originally Posted by Coxxos View Post
That's what I meant (i.e. post 2.4, best dps set up for Sunwell assuming you have access to the first few bosses in there). Sorry if it wasn't clear.
This was discussed around 20 pages ago.
http://elitistjerks.com/706123-post3048.html

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Old 05/08/08, 11:00 AM   #3518
itomeshi
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmane
Haste in bear form

I did a quick search and couldn't find anything, but if I missed a post on my question, my apologies in advance.

What effect does haste have for BEAR - i.e., threat generation?

I just got my first piece of T6, so I'm considering replacing my T5 pants with Tameless Breeches. I'd miss the hit, to be sure - I'm not hit capped. However, considering that in bear form we have a sluggish 2.5 attack speed, I'm wondering if the haste will at least offset it reasonably.

I'm concerned because I've had trouble with threat lately. I switched to the SSO hit/expertise neck, and got Pillar of Ferocity, which helped immensely. Still, I have to really push it - hit my timing as much as possible - to have Omen show me above 800 unless the neck is procced.

So now that I'm no longer protecting my 4 piece set bonus, is this a decent upgrade? Furthermore, should I look at haste in other slots in any capacity?

Thanks in advance!

(P.S. Feel free to armory me and give any other sage advice you may have - we're in early BT (Downed Teron) and are working on Archimonde in Hyjal. Also, I'm generally a bad - I started post-BC, so that says something right there.)

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Old 05/08/08, 11:09 AM   #3519
Edenfall
Banned
 
Tauren Druid
 
Ragnaros (EU)
Originally Posted by Blackfeet View Post
For example I had to switch to this lame chocker to be uncriticable. Btw I don't understand why would anyone be using def rating gems as 10resi gems would be AWESOME to reach the uncrit cap.
If it really DOES work I think I will have to change many gems/stuff to trade def rating with sta/agi (and maybe a little expertise).
Defense Rating is good because it provides Dodge and Miss - avoidance, in other words.

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Old 05/08/08, 11:40 AM   #3520
kalbear
Bald Bull
 
Tauren Druid
 
Balnazzar
What effect does haste have for BEAR - i.e., threat generation?
Not a lot. It only increases your white attack speed and your maul attack speed. Keep in mind that haste is a consistent stat no matter what. In other words, if you reduce your speed to attack by 10% you will attack 10% more often in the same period of time no matter what your weapon speed actually is. Given that white attacks/mauls are about 25% of your overall threat generation, each 1% of haste increase will increase your threat by .25% or so.

This is about 3 times worse than what hit and expertise do for your threat generation before they're hit-capped, so if threat is an issue I'd recommend going with hit and expertise, not haste.

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Old 05/08/08, 12:01 PM   #3521
Temis
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Lightninghoof
Originally Posted by Phorage View Post
It dropped off Muru for Premonition, world 3rd. http://www.premo-guild.com/images/killshots/muru.jpg
Gah. That makes Sunwell really back-loaded for ferals, gear-wise. Thanks for the information, though.

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Old 05/08/08, 12:31 PM   #3522
Daboran
King Hippo
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by Temis View Post
Gah. That makes Sunwell really back-loaded for ferals, gear-wise. Thanks for the information, though.
Not to mention that if you stack classes for Muru, it's unlikely you will have a Feral present for the drop at all.

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Old 05/08/08, 12:59 PM   #3523
ramenchef
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by Daboran View Post
Not to mention that if you stack classes for Muru, it's unlikely you will have a Feral present for the drop at all.
I don't see why not, but I haven't seen the fight yet. I don't see why a druid can't tank one of the humanoid sides though, based on Exodus's kill.

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Old 05/08/08, 2:03 PM   #3524
BeldDD
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Illidan
Originally Posted by Scurn View Post
We all know how powerful the 2T4 bonus is but has anyone considered using [Wolfshead Helm]?
I am pretty sure Toskk in the comments to his calculator on the druid-wiki was asked to value this like 6 or so months ago. Look there.

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Old 05/08/08, 3:01 PM   #3525
Torpesh
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Khadgar
Originally Posted by purewood View Post
Part II Bear Hit Rating. Where should this be at? I tried MT leo and missed at a couple crucial times when his agg is reset after spinning and missed terribly boom 3-4 guildies dead. I upped my hit and expertise and now seem to miss less but my stam is lesser than i hear it shoudl be for a feral tank. Unfortunately if you armory me you will only see my dps gear currently, but for expertise i have 3 pcs: earthwarden, expertise necklace, and shard of contempt and have 71 hit rating.
It's been awhile, but when tanking Leo I used to just use my DPS gear with a few modifications because he basically hits like a sissy. Since I had duplicates of a couple T4 items (one gemmed/enchanted for tanking, the other for DPS) I used the tanking versions for those to keep a bit of stamina, but everything else I just used DPS versions. I also used the [Shapeshifter's Signet]. Since I was in effectively DPS gear I was hit-capped anyway, so I just tried to build expertise. If you have to sub out more DPS gear for tanking gear make sure that there is an improved faerie fire and/or scorpid sting on him at all times, or just use the +hit food. When I did Leo there was no [Shard of Contempt], so you should have things a lot easier.

As far as tactics go, Spookeh and Zeln hit the big ones - have DoTs up and the totems make a HUGE difference. Just make sure that you try to keep them centered for most of the fight so there's a greater chance that he'll stay in range of them. During the final phase put them away from the demon form.

For whirlwinds I made sure that I refreshed Mangle and Lacerate right before he started. As soon as he would start spinning I cast Regrowth on myself, dropping out of bear form. Taking the WW here was ok, because it meant that the Regrowth would actually have something to heal. The 21 second duration of Regrowth meant it would be going strong after the WW. As soon as the Regrowth was cast I would hit him with a Moonfire. Since the 12 second duration perfectly matches the length of his WW, the fact that I spent time casting a Regrowth meant that at least one or two ticks of MF would go off after he stopped spinning. Finally, go back to bearform and Enrage. If he happens to come close to you, refresh the Lacerate, but don't go chasing after him. Stay between him and the searing totems. When he runs past you to get to the totems (if your regrowth/moonfire/lacerate don't already pull him), hit him with a Maul and Mangle. Oh, and Feral Faerie Fire well before he gets in melee range so that the GCD doesn't prevent you from using Mangle. If he's too close then don't bother with the FFF.

Leo almost never got loose once I started using this strategy, but if he does get away from you, don't panic. Make sure that your DPS knows to wait for you to call DPS before they start attacking and stop if Leo gets off of you at any time. Feral Charge usually results in you charging to where he was 2 seconds ago, so just try to corner him away from the majority of the raid so that you can hit him when he eventually tries to run past you.

Also remember that when he's about to go to demon form you want all of your DoTs to wear off of him first.

Spookeh covered exactly what I use for the demon to elf shift - get a Rip running at the right time so that you will get a couple ticks after he switches, then go to bear, Enrage, and build up Lacerates. Save Mangle so that you can use it as soon as he switches. You can also time Maul to hit right after the switch too.

HTH!

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