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Old 05/16/08, 12:13 PM   #3721
Tinweasele
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Firetree
Would it be possible to get a video of someone who is good at getting the double mangle to post it up? i spent a good 30 min -> hour last night in blasted lands and got like 1 double and 5 no mangles and that was IT.

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Old 05/16/08, 12:45 PM   #3722
kalbear
Bald Bull
 
Tauren Druid
 
Balnazzar
Also can anyone tell me why this line isn't doing what I expect? I'm stuck...
Yes. You have the 'end' at the end. That's only useful with the if-then-end script. If you don't have an if, you don't want an end.

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Old 05/16/08, 12:57 PM   #3723
MisterMerf
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Nathrezim
Regarding this conditional powershifting macro setup and energy loss...

Raffy's new mod reports energy wasted per shift. However, I was under the impression that shifting reset your energy tick counter. Therefore, even with perfect shifting you are losing half an energy tick. This being the case, the mod should (in my opinion) report wasted energy as ([energy at time of shift] + 20 * [% distance between energy ticks]). So for a shift at 16 energy the instant the GCD is available, you would waste 16 + 20*(1/2) = 26 energy.

Example:
Time En Ability
0.0 0 Mangle
1.0 40 Shift
3.0 60 *Tick*
3.0 18 Shred
4.0 40 Shift
6.0 60 *Tick*
6.0 18 Shred

Correct?

Last edited by MisterMerf : 05/16/08 at 2:41 PM.

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Old 05/16/08, 2:28 PM   #3724
Valerian
King Hippo
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by MisterMerf View Post
Regarding this conditional powershifting macro setup and energy loss...

Raffy's new mod reports energy wasted per shift. However, I was under the impression that shifting reset your energy tick counter. Therefore, even with perfect shifting you are losing half an energy tick.

Example:
Time En Ability
0.0 0 Mangle
1.0 40 Shift
3.0 60 *Tick*
3.0 18 Shred
4.0 40 Shift
6.0 60 *Tick*
6.0 18 Shred

Correct?
This is correct. I notice it with my energy ticker mod which doesnt reset its "tick" time when I power shift. If I do it right and shift when the bar is half full (1 sec after my attack usually) the next tick comes with the bar is half full again, ie a full 2 seconds later. So a well timed shift at 20 energy really only nets you a 10 energy gain.

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Old 05/16/08, 2:35 PM   #3725
ecopsorn
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Durotan (EU)
Hey guys

I'm new to this forum but I've been reading it for quite a time
Your discussion about the new powershift macros is great and therefore I wanted to try it out.

I'm playing on a German client and it might be the reason why none of your macro posts in this forum worked for me

I've tried the macros from Maeltne and get the following error message:
Fehler:attempt to compare number with nil
Codezeile:if pws then local f="Cat Form";f=GetSpellCo...
Fehler Nummer:1



The FeralKit addon gives me following error message:
Fehler: attempt to compare number with nil
Datei:Interface\AddOns\FeralKit\core.lua
Zeile:101
Fehler Nummer:1


therefore the thing doesn't work and the makros are greyed out. Has anybody a clue why it doesn't work?

thx
ecopsorn



EDIT: I just figured out that the BareStand Makro also doesn't work at my place:

/y !!! BearStand !!!
/use 13
/use 14
/run local b="Dire Bear Form";b=GetSpellCoolDown(b)>0 or not IsUsableSpell(b) or CancelPlayerBuff(b) end;
/stopmacro [form]
/use Master Healthstone
/use item:32905
/use item:22829
/use item:23822
/cast Dire Bear Form


it got to be a problem with the German client, no?? I don't think it matters if there are English or German expressions of the form, but what else could be the problem?

Last edited by ecopsorn : 05/16/08 at 2:50 PM.

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Old 05/16/08, 2:50 PM   #3726
manly
Soda Popinski
 
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Troll Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
While this is unrelated and not providing any insight in itself, I salute the effort to bring to light what is possible to do with the overridden ChatEdit_HandleChatType method. I know Blizzard silenced every thread in their forums on that matter, they have asked the wowace forums to take down every post on the matter, and probably also asked maniq to shut down the thread that was on the matter in our very forums. Coming from a computer-security background, I have a hard time accepting security through obscurity as a model. I wonder how far the rabbit will go.

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 05/16/08, 3:00 PM   #3727
Astrylian
Rawr
 
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Night Elf Monk
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by manly View Post
While this is unrelated and not providing any insight in itself, I salute the effort to bring to light what is possible to do with the overridden ChatEdit_HandleChatType method. I know Blizzard silenced every thread in their forums on that matter, they have asked the wowace forums to take down every post on the matter, and probably also asked maniq to shut down the thread that was on the matter in our very forums. Coming from a computer-security background, I have a hard time accepting security through obscurity as a model. I wonder how far the rabbit will go.
Hey manly. Don't normally see you in this neck of the EJ woods.

Err, I don't understand though... This new powershifting macro is not using ChatEdit_HandleChatType...?

Rawr!

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Old 05/16/08, 3:02 PM   #3728
Maeltne
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Suramar
My BearStand macro is currently bugged. Removing the 'end' may fix that - but I haven't had a chance to test it yet. I seem to remember trying that last night and still having issues with it. Their is another in the first post that does work, but does not check for mana.

The others *DO* work, at least on an English client. I don't know anything about a German Client. I've heard the spell/macro command names are different, and usually abnormally long.

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Old 05/16/08, 3:04 PM   #3729
ecopsorn
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Durotan (EU)
Originally Posted by Tinweasele View Post
Would it be possible to get a video of someone who is good at getting the double mangle to post it up? i spent a good 30 min -> hour last night in blasted lands and got like 1 double and 5 no mangles and that was IT.
Heya Tinweasele. Where can you practice your rotation with the double rip? I know Dr. Boom for Casters, but where can we test it? You're writing about Blasted lands, but which mobs??

thx in advance
ecopsorn

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Old 05/16/08, 3:07 PM   #3730
manly
Soda Popinski
 
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Troll Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Astrylian View Post
Hey manly. Don't normally see you in this neck of the EJ woods.

Err, I don't understand though... This new powershifting macro is not using ChatEdit_HandleChatType...?
Oh my bad then, I misinterpreted. Then my question is, why has this never been done before, since everyone seems to be acclaiming the macro quite highly ?

Could the same could be reworked to work for macros for purposes of, for example, automatically refreshing immolate/incinerate (which would work on target switches, so /castsequence is out), or even scorch/fireball?

<Eej> YOU"RE GONNA PULL
<Eej> IF YOU SQUEEZE OFF ANOTHER ARCANE BLAST
<Spectear> You've obviously never played with Manly.
<Spectear> That's hardly a reason to stop DPS.
Very Manly Staff

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Old 05/16/08, 3:12 PM   #3731
Odas
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Eonar
If you exit the Dark Portal and take a right up out of the crater, there are some humanoids(Trolls, Taurens etc) called Servants of Razelikh. They will not die except for a quest dealing with them. When they get low, the will banish themselves temporarily, then return to normal at 1% and not die.

That being said, the servants are not the easiest mobs to test this out on. I haven't looked for a mob with suffient survivability with an appropriately shapped hit box that would be easier to try it on. I imagine it works on players, so dueling someone might be an alternative. If you could get a Karazhan going, I'm pretty sure that most of the bosses and mobs in there are easy to double rip, assuming you're not tanking of course.

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Old 05/16/08, 3:25 PM   #3732
Astrylian
Rawr
 
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Night Elf Monk
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by manly View Post
Oh my bad then, I misinterpreted. Then my question is, why has this never been done before, since everyone seems to be acclaiming the macro quite highly ?

Could the same could be reworked to work for macros for purposes of, for example, automatically refreshing immolate/incinerate (which would work on target switches, so /castsequence is out), or even scorch/fireball?
This macro is a variation on one that came out a month or two ago, to safely use a potion while tanking.

If you used a potion while there was a GCD going, the game would automatically shift out and drink the potion, but you'd be in te GCD so couldn't shift back in, leaving you exposed until the GCD ended. The safe potion macro solved this by not relying on the game for shifting out, instead it checked whether you were in a GCD, and if not, shifted you out. Then it drank the potion and shifted back *only if you were not in bear form* (ie, only if it had just shifted you out). Basically, it relied on being able to have scripts cancel a player buff (shift out), and to choose whether to pot based on form.

This new cat powershifting macro is the same way, except instead of checking if you're outside of a GCD, it does that, plus checks whether you're under X energy. No addon is required. (one has been made on the last page, for convenience, and to just stick all the script in a method, so as to free up macro character limit space.

Last edited by Astrylian : 05/16/08 at 3:36 PM.

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Old 05/16/08, 3:25 PM   #3733
Allev
King Hippo
 
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
All,

I created a powershifting-only thread, given that this topic has been flooded (making it hard to pick out things like, say, double-ripping). There's a lot of research that's independent and new, we shouldn't muck up the "general" with pages and pages of speculation, in my opinion.

Linked here:

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t25842-f...na_management/

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Old 05/16/08, 3:32 PM   #3734
Papajan
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Mage
 
Lightbringer
Originally Posted by manly View Post
Could the same could be reworked to work for macros for purposes of, for example, automatically refreshing immolate/incinerate (which would work on target switches, so /castsequence is out), or even scorch/fireball?
The crucial part of those macros is that you can cancel buffs from within the Lua /run part, which can contain conditional code, even though you can't use abilities in the Lua part. In the rest of the macro, you can potentially be in either cat form or caster form. If you're in cat form (didn't powershift), it'll try to use Shred. If you're in caster form, you can't use Shred so you'll get a warning message or something. Then you're allowed to stop the macro conditional on your form. The real big trick is canceling the cat form buff from within conditional code, which is tied to the form/stance and is allowable as a condition in /cast types of lines.

Stance/form/pet are the only conditions I can think of that you have a chance of influencing through Lua, so I don't think this is applicable to many other classes.

Edit: After thinking for a while, the only other thing I can think of for this macro style is to have a special Lifebloom macro that cancels ToL and does an NS/HT instead if they're below a certain HP%.

Last edited by Papajan : 05/16/08 at 3:47 PM. Reason: added example

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Old 05/16/08, 3:40 PM   #3735
Maeltne
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Suramar
Originally Posted by manly View Post
Oh my bad then, I misinterpreted. Then my question is, why has this never been done before, since everyone seems to be acclaiming the macro quite highly ?
No one thought of it. I'm thinking of browsing through the entire API just to see if there are function calls that may be useful.

Originally Posted by manly View Post
Could the same could be reworked to work for macros for purposes of, for example, automatically refreshing immolate/incinerate (which would work on target switches, so /castsequence is out), or even scorch/fireball?
I don't think so. This is basically a hack since the powershift can be accomodated with the CancelPlayerBuff command that is usable within a script. All the remaining actions are based on whether you are in form or not.

Casting any spells or using any items cannot get done based on a /script or /run command so I do not see how it could be done.

That isn't to say it isn't possible, I just don't see how it could be done.

Last edited by Maeltne : 05/16/08 at 3:51 PM.

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