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Old 06/08/08, 10:26 AM   #4081
Alandriel
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Human Death Knight
 
Blackhand
Also, reading the last 20 pages or so should answer a LOT of your questions (regarding powershifting, macros, etc).

Regarding powershifting/ 2t4/ etc, my understanding is that when you use a macro, it currently pushes the entire code stream to the server as one block line and is processed serverside. If that holds true, then you can't waste 2t4 procs using the powershifting macros posted, as the energy check is server side and wouldn't process if you were above your set threshold.

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Old 06/08/08, 1:28 PM   #4082
Astrylian
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Night Elf Monk
 
Stormrage
No, the energy check is still client side. The only way to waste a 2T4 proc is to get one off an auto-attack between when you tell the server to powershift, and when the server responds.

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Old 06/09/08, 10:42 AM   #4083
jaspian
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Tauren Druid
 
Bloodfeather
M'uru

There isnt too much information on M'uru atm and was looking for information on tanking for Muru. So far from the previous posts in this thread etc i have come to understand that high avoidance and high threat is what to aim for and it quite possibly is the most effort compared to other fights.

So what gear makeup can should I expect to utilize assuming I have all the standard gear up to Muru, maybe discount the feral pieces off Felmyst and twins.

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Old 06/09/08, 1:10 PM   #4084
 Caniki
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Out of curiosity, what are other BT-Farming druids generating as their average threat-per-second on boss fights, mainly Bloodboil and Illidan Flame tanking? I'm not really having a problem with threat, but would always like to generate more faster, as my Flame is almost always killed first, and I hate being a cap for DPS. I'm also interested in Brutallus numbers, if anyone has those.

I think my cycle is basically correct. Get Misdirection, Mangle, Lacerate x3, Mangle, Lacerate x2, Swipe, Mange, Swipe, and then Lacerate whenever I need to to keep the stack up, otherwise keep on Mangling on cooldown and Swiping. Use Maul whenever it's up, and occasionally throw in a Faerie Fire.

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Old 06/09/08, 1:23 PM   #4085
Astrylian
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Night Elf Monk
 
Stormrage
TPS varies a *ton* based on whether you gem for stam or for agi. I just recently switched from all 15sta's back to mostly 10agis... Average TPS was about 1000-1100 before, now it's like 1200-1300.

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Old 06/09/08, 1:37 PM   #4086
Kaidman
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Tauren Druid
 
Dunemaul
Originally Posted by jaspian View Post
There isnt too much information on M'uru atm and was looking for information on tanking for Muru. So far from the previous posts in this thread etc i have come to understand that high avoidance and high threat is what to aim for and it quite possibly is the most effort compared to other fights.

So what gear makeup can should I expect to utilize assuming I have all the standard gear up to Muru, maybe discount the feral pieces off Felmyst and twins.
For my M'uru set I tossed on what I'd normally use for Bloodboil (high dodge). From there I swapped in slots for +hit and expertise, I have around 80-100hit, 80expertise, and our WWS showed about 70% avoidance over a night of M'uru attempts. If you are not tanking Entropius you can use lower defense/resilience since the blood elves are only level 71, 2.2% to be at cap. I also don't worry about armor as much as avoidance/hit/expertise, around 30-32k armor I believe.

Hit items:
[Pepe's Shroud of Pacification] 25
[Band of the Abyssal Lord] 21
[Thunderheart Leggings] 27
[Belt of Deep Shadow] 18 (wtb T6 belt, I only used this one night for testing and seemed fine but most will probably just stick to Natural Power if no T6)
Along with a couple Pyrestones agi/hit for socket bonus.

Expertise:
[Thunderheart Treads] 20
[Collar of the Pit Lord] 29
[Shard of Contempt] 44


Note: I have on a max avoidance set in Armory, NOT a normal tanking set obviously so that isn't much help to look at right now.

Edit: For M'uru it also depends on what is expected of you and the strat used by your guild. If they expect you to get all 3 adds for your side I would go for a setup like I have listed. If you're sheeping a berserker or even two sheeps every wave then you can get by with your normal gear fine, without trying to tweak.

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Old 06/09/08, 2:43 PM   #4087
Moti
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Night Elf Druid
 
Arthas
Apologize if this was mentioned elsewhere but I am wondering how it would be the best way to gem up the Leggings of the Immortal Beast? 2 red sockets 1 blue and 4+agi socket bonus

I was personally thinking 5agi 7sta, 5agi 7sta, and 15 sta, to get the socket bonus, which would be 14agi 29 sta or should i do 3x 15sta for 45sta?

In any case it would be an upgrade over the t6 even without gems, I can find hit elsewhere maybe use pepe's over placification if i need to.

My only tanking roles at this point are, kalecgos(3rd tank on the rotation), and Brutallis(2nd tank, we use 2). I will be dpsing for Felmyst and picking up 1-2 or loose adds if need be. Not sure what lies ahead.

On the previous subject I am proud to say that I am able to do 1650+DPS on gorefiend, with 2 haste potions, 1 heroism, and I think not sure which group I was in last time but either a full drum of battle rotation or 2 other people in my group with drums.
Wow Web Stats

I just checked I only got the drums of battle 5x. My two trinkets are DST/Shard, I only shifted twice to pop a haste potion at 0 energy.

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Old 06/09/08, 2:48 PM   #4088
Astrylian
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Stormrage
Either way, the socket bonus is worth it, IMO. Shifting-Shifting-Solid if you favor stamina, Delicate-Delicate-Shifting if you favor agility. Use Rawr to help answer the question for you.

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Old 06/09/08, 3:01 PM   #4089
Kaidman
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Tauren Druid
 
Dunemaul
Originally Posted by Moti View Post
Apologize if this was mentioned elsewhere but I am wondering how it would be the best way to gem up the Leggings of the Immortal Beast? 2 red sockets 1 blue and 4+agi socket bonus
I will be going 10agi x2 with one 15sta to get the socket bonus. Not a fan of the 1 lost stamina from [Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst]. But like you said the stats on these legs alone are great already, the gems are gravy.

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Old 06/09/08, 7:03 PM   #4090
seminarca
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Originally Posted by droeber View Post
Out of curiosity, what are other BT-Farming druids generating as their average threat-per-second on boss fights, mainly Bloodboil and Illidan Flame tanking? I'm not really having a problem with threat, but would always like to generate more faster, as my Flame is almost always killed first, and I hate being a cap for DPS. I'm also interested in Brutallus numbers, if anyone has those.
To add to what Astrylian said, threat also largely depends on what group you can get into. These days we occassionally run a second Enhancement Shaman on farm raids to gear him up, and he goes in the tank group. Unleashed Rage is huge for threat. But if you're in there with just a Resto Shaman (SoE/WF) and a Prot Warrior doing Commanding Shout (or being lazy with Shouts), well that's not as much fun.

BM Hunter groups are generally good for threat as well, 2 x FI and Resto Shaman's SoE/GoA is not a terrible place to be.

The two encounters you mentioned specifically have some special conditions. While Flame tanking, you'll be in FR gear, so threat stats are likely to be gimped. Personally, I offset that by getting the 2T6 bonus (Shoulders/Bracers) and using a DPS gemmed/enchanted S3 helm (lots of Hit Rating), so play around with what you can achieve threat wise while remaining crit immune and FR capped. Bloodboil is mostly fine when you've got a nice Rage income from the ticking debuffs, but right at the start (if you're not the first tank) you can get screwed by crap Rage generation from too many glancings, or not enough hits/crits, and then you're playing catchup. You can try eating a Cleave or two to help though.

As far as Brutallus goes, I'm the first tank and usually in a 2 x BM Hunter, 1 Survival, Resto Shaman (SoE/GoA) group. I don't pay attention to the rolling TPS value on Omen, since it fluctuates a lot, but I note down how much total threat I had when the other tank taunts after 3 slashes. With 3 Misdirects, Bloodlust after ~10 seconds and Drums, my best was ~78k threat, so about 2600 TPS (lots of crits in this as well, not many miss/dodge/parry). Mostly though, I average around 52-58k, 3 x Misdirects, Drums, but no Bloodlust, which is a much more reasonable ~1833 TPS.

edit: It obviously peters off after the first 30 second segment, but that's the most crucial bit, to give DPS enough of a lead to start letting loose. I'll note down total threat on our next kill to find average TPS, but I don't know if that'll be as relevant since we spend half the time DPSing in Cat form.

edit2: It'd be nice if someone could adapt coolyo's TPS calculator for Druids:
[Warrior] Sustained TPS / WWSed
Coolyo[dot]org

Last edited by seminarca : 06/09/08 at 7:14 PM.

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Old 06/09/08, 11:17 PM   #4091
SkunkApe
Glass Joe
 
Pandaren Monk
 
Runetotem
Hello,

This was briefly touched on up above but I'm interested in getting a more definitive answer. I understand that alot of the spreadsheets/rawr/etc say that agility is always better but what is the general opinion when it comes to being hit-capped while DPS'ing? Is it more important to try and hit the cap to minimize misses or just go for best in slot and end up with w/e you have? I'm interested because my best in slot gear leaves me @ about 6.6% to hit w/ 16 expertise rating and I'm unsure whether to change around gems/gear just to hit 142 rating.

I would just like to hear what other ferals are doing in the endgame concerning hit and DPS.

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Old 06/10/08, 1:38 AM   #4092
Darkkazul
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Tauren Druid
 
Tichondrius
In terms of M'uru... having a high dodge set is very useful, Sunwell Radiance does not effect these mobs and they are lower level so its a lot easier to gain that dodge.

Here's a WWS of our kill
Shadowsword Fury Mage - WWS
Shadowsword Berserker - WWS

Dmg done by both Shadowfury Mage and Shadowfury Beserker. As you can see I've take a little more dmg than Natural but its very slight. 74% mitigation ^_^

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Old 06/10/08, 2:59 AM   #4093
spartakos
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Tauren Druid
 
Genjuros (EU)
Originally Posted by seminarca View Post
edit2: It'd be nice if someone could adapt coolyo's TPS calculator for Druids:
[Warrior] Sustained TPS / WWSed
Coolyo[dot]org
I think WowWebStats Tps Calculator works. Correct me if i am wrong.

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Old 06/10/08, 3:24 AM   #4094
seminarca
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Originally Posted by spartakos View Post
I think WowWebStats Tps Calculator works. Correct me if i am wrong.
Yep that works fine, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! Never seen it linked here before =x

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Old 06/10/08, 8:42 AM   #4095
Firehoof
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Tauren Druid
 
Outland (EU)
I've started using Feralkit a while ago and wondered if it could be used to simplyfy tanking.
Reading through this thread it was already stated that canceling an aura is an exception of what can be done with a conditional macro type of thing (what about shifting back in though? (Ah that's dine with the [form] tag)) but I was hoping this might be an exception:
What I was hoping to see is a mangle(bear) macro, that will queue a maul whenever I've got over a certain amount of rage. (either through feralkit, or a script)

I guess this is probably not possible, but that's what I thought about powershift macro's that check energy aswell.

Last edited by Firehoof : 06/10/08 at 9:00 AM.

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