Feral Megathread - Page 280

gobbles · 06/19/08, 2:48 AM

Originally Posted by Howardmeis

I'm sorry but I don't see a "1 defense=X resil" on that....

no

but there is

1 def = x anti-crit

and

1 res = x anti-crit

The maths from there you should be able to work out.

Nisall · 06/19/08, 2:50 AM

Defence = 2.4 rating per skill, 1 skill = 0.04% dodge, miss, anti-crit ((25 defence,
or 60 rating, for 1% less crit/more dodge/more miss))

Resillience = ~0.025% anti-crit ((39.4 resillience for 1% less crit and 1% less damage
from DOTs))

The main priorities as a bear are to get un-crittable (for which you need 2.6% anti-crit)

There, I only quoted the relevant parts now do the maths.

gobbles · 06/19/08, 2:59 AM

For the really lazy bear;

Make this macro and equip your tanking gear.

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/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(2.6-(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)*.04+GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_CRIT_TAKEN_MELEE) ),1,0.5,0)

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If the number is 0 or negative, you are uncritable. If the number is above 0, you require more defense or resilience vs a level 73 bosses.

Howardmeis · 06/19/08, 3:00 AM

Alright sorry, I'm upped on caffeine and somewhat slow. Thanks for the help.

seminarca · 06/19/08, 3:08 AM

Make sure he's specced 3/3 into Survival of the Fittest, as without that talent 400 Defense and 54 Resilience rating won't be enough to get him uncrittable. Magtheridon and Jan'alai can both crush, so go through your recap/wws and find out whether he's getting crushed or crit and whether there is any parry/thresh happening when he dies. Finally, Mag is a hard hitter, and Jan'alai enrages, so it could just be an extremely unlucky no-dodge streak .. I seriously doubt it was 1 hit that actually killed him.

Howardmeis · 06/19/08, 4:22 AM

Jan was not enraged, and both him and mag just got 22k (what the recount graph showed) hits on him, not sure if they were crits or crushes. Recount does not report this, and I just got us our WWS today. He is 3/3 in SotF. I'll check out a WWS our next raid (mag again tomorrow/tonight). Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it.

Ovidus · 06/19/08, 4:35 AM

It would help if you'd give an armory link of him so we can see his gear. If he is getting 22k hits (/crits?), there is a big chance it has to do with either wrong spending of talent points or wrong choice of gear.

dakalro · 06/19/08, 4:36 AM

Caster form or healing gear would be the only explanations, hits wouldn't get that big even in dps gear if that includes a few T4 pieces. Ask him if he tried to pot around that time, he may have had a GCD running and got stuck in caster form.
Other than that, if it wasn't a single but a combo of hits for 22k in less than a second it's either dps gear or simply parries.

Duilliath · 06/19/08, 4:47 AM

Cave in, maybe ?

Howardmeis · 06/19/08, 5:02 AM

The World of Warcraft Armory
His gear's fine really, he's tanked VR before with no real problems, just suddenly this kind of thing is popping up.

He claims that he doesn't have an power shifting macros or anything. We're all leaning in the direction that he sat down and let himself get crit so he could make the joke "I'm not getting any rage so I sat down to get crit!" since he's one of those guys and wants to be showing off his e-peen.

Skysec · 06/19/08, 5:04 AM

Originally Posted by stayclean

I think the optimal set was something like:

T4: Head + Gloves
T6: Bracers, Belt, Boots, Shoulders

with the Sunwell leather dps chest and legs

I believe optimal dps setup is:
Duplicitous Guise
Bladed Chaos Tunic
Leggings of Immortal Night
Gloves of Immortal Dusk
T6 shoulders/boots/belt/bracers

But seeing as how its very unlikely you will be able to get those pieces (as your primary role in sw is tanking, you should be getting sw tanking items first) 2t4 will probably still be used by many people

Darkkazul · 06/19/08, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Inz

This TPS value is of Omen and could ofc be wrong, but a rogue doing 3116 dps without using Vanish and with 1780 tps isnt right either ?

I could be wrong if i dont put Swipe into the cycle but this always worked perfectly fine on single targets.

Sorry for the late post but Vanish is currently bugged on the KJ fight. It doesn't do anything so even if he did vanish it wouldn't reset his agro

coredumperror · 06/19/08, 12:47 PM

Does Vanish not working on KJ actually matter? From what I've read, KJ doesn't melee... he just casts spells. His Soul Flay ability hits the person highest on aggro, but that's the only thing I can think of that'd be meaningful.

kalbear · 06/19/08, 12:52 PM

His gear's fine really, he's tanked VR before with no real problems, just suddenly this kind of thing is popping up.

He could really use badge of tenacity and a stam trinket. He has somewhat low armor and not a ton of stam, and both of those things could be fixed. (on a side note, it makes me cry a little that he is tanking with a DST).

But no, there's nothing there that suggests that he's crittable, and he should be able to take a crush or two. I'm guessing parrygib.

Chishi · 06/19/08, 7:20 PM

Alright, not sure if this has been covered in the past ~160 posts, but it however isn't on the main post.

I've yet to get a full armor pen set for feral dps, however, I don't believe it will be as helpful as I had first thought due to my calculations on the affect of armor on effective damage by melee swing speed. Which concluded in armor effecting slower swing speed damage more then quick swing speeds by a small amount. Either way, I plan on testing it once I manage to get the gear required for the testing.

On a side note, I've been using this thread for quite a while for basic figures. However, I happen to disagree with the use of the [Everbloom Idol].
According to multiple tests, I would lose ~ 200 dps per boss fight using the [Everbloom Idol] with an ability rotation of Mangle, Shred (till 5 CP), Rip. In most of the fights, ~ 46% of all damage done by me was from physical damage (white melee hits). During the time I had used [Idol of Ferocity], I recorded an average 58% uptime with the ability rotation I used. The 65 agility proc from [Idol of Ferocity] adds 74 AP unbuffed, 79 AP with kings (80.8 AP according to Rating Buster). The AP would slightly increase rip damage, but I'm too lazy to come up with figures for that at the moment. Along with the AP, the idol also adds temporarily to crit chance of all attacks and abilities, stacking up to 2.81% (According to Rating Buster, again, lack of worked out figures due to laziness).
I have not looked at the figures attributed to [Everbloom Idol] due to the fact that my overall performance with it decreased on multiple occasions.

Just seeing if there are others with the similar opinion.