Feral Megathread - Page 292

Darkkazul · 07/05/08, 1:38 AM

Originally Posted by sal

looks like a pretty solid setup, and I would say keep your stam and survivability as felmyst can crush and survivability is a must if you tank, twins offer extreme damage and irregularly switches between tanks, again surviability and stam is still very nice.

I lean towards avoidance now to get past m'uru. Not sure how I should prepare for kil'jaeden but it looks like consistent magical damage and i'm assuming a feral is tanking for high threat, avoidance is negligible? perhaps warriors debuff and disarm adds so they're on them, paladin for their AoE abilities.

For KJ its pretty much just full DPS gear (if you choose to use a feral tank). We haven't kill KJ yet but when we started attempts I was tanking in full dps gear doing near 2k TPS (Not Omen TPS). You don't need avoidance because its fully magical dmg BUT if you get chosen to help tank adds then you need your normal tank gear (the adds hit hard both magical and physical).

EDIT: I should add that we switched from a druid tank to a warlock tank. Also one thing to note about a melee dps/tanking on KJ. The top threat (or near it) in melee range gets knocked back every ~5 seconds, far enough to get outside of melee range. It gets to be really annoying when/if you're trying to tank/dps.

HaklePrime · 07/05/08, 3:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boelies

1) Badge of Tenacity is too expensive on my server

Get it yourself.

[Crystalforged Darkrune]

I also find it amusing how few people utilize PvP bracers, and [Signet of Eternal Life]. Those two items alone put you within one Def/Res item of the uncrit cap (Assuming standard tanking enchants on head/shoulders). 2 pieces of gear make your kit much more adjustable, as opposed to relying on anti-crit from 5+, +gems, +enchants, etc.

Daboran · 07/05/08, 5:06 AM

Originally Posted by HaklePrime

I also find it amusing how few people utilize PvP bracers, and [Signet of Eternal Life]. Those two items alone put you within one Def/Res item of the uncrit cap (Assuming standard tanking enchants on head/shoulders). 2 pieces of gear make your kit much more adjustable, as opposed to relying on anti-crit from 5+, +gems, +enchants, etc.

Early SW encounters make the Karazhan and Badge rings superior simply due to the amount of armor and dodge you gain, add this to the +def you get from Slikks anyway and wearing the PvP Bracer/Ring combo leads to wasted stats especially if you don't have spare T6 pieces to gem alternately for different encounters.

I've go that ring, but hardly ever use it, even situationally.

seminarca · 07/05/08, 7:21 AM

I don't like Commendation for Brutallus, being proc based means it's not guaranteed to be up on every stomp (e.g. it could be on cooldown from having procced after taunting but before getting stomped).

Originally Posted by sal

felmyst can crush

Actually, Felmyst doesn't crush.

HaklePrime · 07/05/08, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by Daboran

Early SW encounters make the Karazhan and Badge rings superior simply due to the amount of armor and dodge you gain, add this to the +def you get from Slikks anyway and wearing the PvP Bracer/Ring combo leads to wasted stats especially if you don't have spare T6 pieces to gem alternately for different encounters.

I've go that ring, but hardly ever use it, even situationally.

You hardly ever use it because you appear to be gemming for resilience on multiple pieces of gear, which is counter to exactly what I just suggested, and can lead you to your 'wasted stats' opinion.

It is significantly easier to upgrade, and reinforce your overall setup, when you're relying on 2-3 pieces of gear, as opposed to 4+ pieces, plus gems, plus enchants. Additionally, by ensuring your anti-crit is on as few pieces as possible, it is easier to adjust gear for specific encounter requirements.

Daboran · 07/05/08, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by HaklePrime

You hardly ever use it because you appear to be gemming for resilience on multiple pieces of gear, which is counter to exactly what I just suggested, and can lead you to your 'wasted stats' opinion.

It is significantly easier to upgrade, and reinforce your overall setup, when you're relying on 2-3 pieces of gear, as opposed to 4+ pieces, plus gems, plus enchants. Additionally, by ensuring your anti-crit is on as few pieces as possible, it is easier to adjust gear for specific encounter requirements.

Try looking at my tanking gear, not the mixed set that I logged out in.

Keeping it general, Feral tanking is all about choices. My choice would be that wearing something just for the anti-crit that has no additional benefit (you can't count stamina on the ring because you get buckets of stamina on every Feral ring) is a waste unless you gain MORE by being able to wear better items elsewhere. Most of the best Feral slot items have +def anyway (such as Slikks) it's not as if you're struggling to make the cap all the time.

[Ring of the Stalwart Protector] gives you far more defensive stats, can you really make up 392 armor and 1.48% dodge (both very useful Sunwell boss stats) elsewhere just by not having to wear items with +def on them?

Each to his own, I just dislike intensely not having the flexibility to change that 2nd ring slot or the bracers on a fight if I feel that the other rings/T6 bracers are better in that situation.

• sadris · 07/05/08, 5:56 PM

You want to reach crit immunity with the least number of items as possible so that you have greater flexibility in your other gear choices (ie: dropping the Gurtogg trinket for either of the heroic MgT ones). Yes, you would wear the Stalwart ring but *also* the ZA one.

Daboran · 07/05/08, 6:00 PM

Originally Posted by sadris

You want to reach crit immunity with the least number of items as possible so that you have greater flexibility in your other gear choices (ie: dropping the Gurtogg trinket for either of the heroic MgT ones). Yes, you would wear the Stalwart ring but *also* the ZA one.

Drink an Ironskin and wear a more tanking or dps oriented ring as the situation requires?

Whatever, what I'm saying here is that by narrowing down your anti-crit to effectively 2 items, it might make your choices simpler in that respect but also limits your choices in those slots. Surely the point is to maximize your stats for any given encounter as required, not just to make life easy?

The big "spanner" in the works here is that you need 2 yellow gems for the agi/crit metagem activation. That being the case, why not use those gem slots for def/resil? The only other real choice is hit/agi gems or to farm Mana Tombs for the agi/def gem, which although budgeted ideally is not of top quality (1 agi short)

Zadnak · 07/05/08, 9:59 PM

Originally Posted by sadris

You want to reach crit immunity with the least number of items as possible so that you have greater flexibility in your other gear choices

I completely agree. I've been using an S3 Helm with a 10 Resil gem, and an 18stam/20resil, along with Slikk's(with 12 Agility), 12 Defense Rating on my bracers, a 5Def/4Agi gem from Heroic Mana Tombs, and Violet Signet to reach crit immunity. It allows me to be very flexible with my trinkets and I am able to use Brooch of Defness. I will replace my bracer enchant with 12 Stam once I get the Collar of the Pit Lord.

spartakos · 07/07/08, 5:22 AM

The gear you will use is heavily depended to the encounter and your role in it, your healer and dps gear and also how lucky you are with the tanking loots.
I don't think there is an optimal gear for every case.
At the 4 first bosses in SW ,due to the aura, survivability is the king (armor, stamina) but as you progress and your guild gear goes up you will have to for more agility gems and hit-expertise gear.
About crit immunity just use Rawr (way too many roads with minor differences).

• sadris · 07/07/08, 11:07 AM

Does anyone have a recent (< 1mo) Brutallus WWS parse of a feral druid who is only DPSing? I am trying to compare enh shaman to them; it seems that everyone is using a moonkin: Wow Web Stats

angi · 07/07/08, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

Does anyone have a recent (< 1mo) Brutallus WWS parse of a feral druid who is only DPSing? I am trying to compare enh shaman to them; it seems that everyone is using a moonkin: Wow Web Stats

Wow Web Stats

group support for our hunters and warlocks was poor so don`t blame them :P.

• Vykromond · 07/07/08, 12:30 PM

Can you please translate some of the German on the "Gains, Buffs, and Debuffs" page?

angi · 07/07/08, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Vykromond

Can you please translate some of the German on the "Gains, Buffs, and Debuffs" page?

2 Heroism in Meleegroup, 11xDrums, 23 Powershifts and 20 T4 Proccs.

Eilanelena · 07/07/08, 12:56 PM

Hi everybody !

Maybe it has already been asked, but I have to say it becomes truely difficult to find something on these boards (partly because I am French I suppose).

So, I have two questions for the druid comunity :
1 - Are there some of you who decided to keep Necklace of the Deep and gem it with 2 +15sta gems ? Or do you go for the Shatered Sun Offensive neck or Brooch of Deftness ? (I'm asking in your "classic" tanking setup, I can figure that both of these necks are superior to the blue one considering threat & when hit chance is crucial). I'm asking this myself because I am in a Hyjal level guild (even if now they decided to focus on Vashj so they can say "SSC clean") and do not have an easy access to epic gems, so I'm in trouble if I trust Rawr and use the lvl65 blue or first buy Brooch of Deftness (I use the SSO Aldor neck ATM).

2 - Are there some of you who know about a macro/add-on you can spam to bring you in the desired form and never out of it ? I'm looking for something like that and don't seem to be lucky to find an up to date way to do that.

Thank you in advance for your answers !

Actually, there is a last question that comes to my mind : where is the best place to train to get double bonus rips ? I'm tanking most of the time, pretty good at DPS when I'm given a chance but I want to become even better however I have not much room on where to practice it efficiently (whe are not running Gruul or Mag anymore, Kara I'm mostly MT, ZA OT).