As of now, i am using the following macros:
#show Cat Form
/cancelaura [stance:3] Cat Form
/stopcasting
/cast [nostance] Cat Form

#show Dire Bear Form
/cancelaura [stance:1] Dire Bear Form
/stopcasting
/cast [nostance] Dire Bear Form

I didn't test any of the macros on PTR, but what macros should I be using, if changed as of 2.3?

Also, would this work?
#show Healing Pot
/cancelaura Dire Bear Form
/Use Healing Pot
/cast Dire Bear Form

Add in a /use Master Healthstone in the last macro. As you can use pot+hs and still shift back. If it's a real emergency button

Is what I'm probably going to end up with. the modifier is so I don't press it by accident and leave while doing something important

I get the modifier, but I'm curious what "[nostance]" and "[nostance:1]" actually do in that macro.

On PTR I was using a very basic one:

#show Cat Form
/cancelform
/cast Cat Form (Shapeshift)


You can add the /use lines for potions, healthstones and anything else that doesn't use up a GCD right after /cancelform.

Also, is it possible to use modifiers inversely to how Nazta is using them? I.e. he's got the modifier to not /cancelform unless ctrl/alt are also pressed. I want the modifier to "/cast Cat Form (Shapeshift)" if ctrl/alt are NOT pressed. This is so I can use the same macro to return to caster form only if ctrl/alt are down, but otherwise shift me back to whatever form the macro is for. I hope that's not too confusing.

Macro broken down:
Cancelform: First part, the nostance side makes sure the game doesn't cancelform while I'm in bearform and press the macro. If I hold the modifiers down, it will leave even though I'm in bearform.
(You can add a "/stopmacro [modifier:ctrl/alt]" here. So it doesn't shift back in if you're holding one of those down. I don't have this, as I have a mount button that also leaves form for me, so if I want to press it and shift out, it's to shift right back(pvp to loose slowing effects)).
Second line just makes sure you don't cast the spell while in bear form, as this would make you leave bearform as well.

You can use the "[nomodifier]". But unless you're putting in more stuff it's not really needed. I was a little confused, because it sounded like you just want a normal button(one click to enter form and another click to leave form again).

"/stopmacro [modifier:ctrl/alt]" sounds like what I'm looking for, I'll give it a shot when I can get online. Basically I want it to do the instant cancelform/shift back if I hit the macro normally, but only do cancelform (leaving me in caster form) if I hold down ctrl. Thanks!

By "average" I was refering to a non-crit swipe. My math was wrong though, as I was counting full damage from non-crits. It should be:

D = Damage
C = Crit %
H = Regular Hit %

456.2 = D * H + D * C * 2.2
or
456.2/(H + C * 2.2) = D

At 35% Crit and ignoring miss this resultes in a base damage of swipe being 321.26 in order to match Lacerate Refresh.

Also, DPS warriors in my guild don't sunder mobs that I'm tanking. This is because they hate me.

I was screwing around in WSG tonight, and I found this macro to be pretty sweet, check it out.

/cancel form
/cast cat form

You won't even notice leaving caster form, and it gives you 40 energy with less then a second I think, to be honest it felt much faster then it was in 2.2. Also, any one think that the new mangle idol is amazing? proc rate seems insanely high.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but just /cast cat form (or hitting your cat form keybind) should have the same effect of an instant powershift...

It's not, you need to create a separate macro, and it doesn't always work, (high lag and other cooldowns will leave you in caster) It's decent though, I managed 1300 DPS on archimonde on a wipe attempt (0 melee bursts and Fear Ward on my shaman made it a very melee friendly fight)

Does this mean, that using a health potion while tanking a boss isn't a good idea after all ?

Too early to call, let's see how it works out in practice. The absolutely worst case is that we end up with a "don't do this unless you are pretty sure you'll die if you do not" situation, which, even if it means you occasionally die in the wrong form when trying to do it, is still better than the current situation.

I tried these macros, they worked perfectly fine and quite fast.


/cancel form
/use healing pot
/use health stone
/cast dire bear form

or /cast cat form

I've been playing around with the healing pot one, works quite nice and may be I'll try it while tanking Morogrim haha.


Also, dukes would you by any chance compare your old WWS with new reports as of this week and see how much of your dps has increased? What do you think about using the mangle idol for raiding? I know idol of terror is pretty much the best PvP idol since the proc rate seems just amazing.

I've never had it fail unless it was my fault, i.e., hitting my powershift macro while I was still on GCD. Even in high lag I was always shifting immediately.

I have to say the hs macro for bear form is one of the most useful tools ive ever encountered. I used it to success at least three seperate occasions last night in my guilds hyjal run. They were times were I was below 500-1khp and successful used the macro and taken a hit right after which would have otherwise killed me. Also the powershifting macro is more then satisfactoy. Restating what was said above, the only times where it did not shift me back in IMMEADIATLY was when I was still currently inside a GCD. Ill have to try a modifier on my normal shift macros, currently I have a shapeshift cat macro and a powershifting one. Quick shifting between forms and instant casting abilities from caster or another form is also infinitely useful in terms of both pve and pvp!

Just finished Zul-Aman. What I can say is that swipe has been boosted greatly by the ap buff, crit for 550-600 in full tank gear on nonsundered mobs. I havent seen those numbers at all before.

Oh and primal man-cacher got renamed to staff of primal fury, which I didnt know of at least.

Regarding high ping and bear-last-stand, here you go. An instant 6k of HP with ~500 ping. Events close enough that the typical combat log shuffle actually gets the series of events wrong.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1...7173320ft0.jpg

1) DPS differences vary pretty hugely even on the same boss with the same gear, so I'm not sure how good a comparison could be made (I have parses from Teron which vary from around 1100 DPS to just over 1500 DPS with virtually identical gear just because of other stuff going on).
2) I quit raiding (well, playing in general as raiding was just about all I did) about 2 weeks ago, so I actually won't have any WWS's to compare.
3) The mangle idol seems pretty comparable/better than the other idols on offer as far as I can tell from all the theorycrafting thats gone on about it. The proc rate is around 85% with a non-refreshability (10 second cd) on it (I believe, that's the last I heard on it anyway). If you've gone for higher AP rather than crit, it's probably less worth it (you'll get less crits = less primal fury = longer between mangles/rips = less refreshing of the buff) but as long as you've gone the standard route of stacking agility it's probably pretty similar.

I'll be going through the main posts over the next couple of days and removing all the pre-2.3 stuff and updating whatever needs it for the new patch once it's clear what changes have been made (in case the patch notes/final PTR build/actual build aren't the same, which often happens).

I'll also be sticking in a macro's section to the main post, which will include the basics (cat powershift, bear healthstone/pot macro, additions in case you want a modifier for cat shifting to be on the same button as powershifting or whatever) but I'm open to suggestions as to extra ones to add.

I just picked up Bladeangel's Moneybelt last night.

If I already have the SSC craftable belt, how does this stack up? Considering so much of our damage is from crits, does the armor reduction make a big enough difference in our overall damage to sub out for AP boost? (subsequently would actually gain like .47% crit by switching to this belt, but might need to readjust for +hit/expertise.)

Thanks!

If you press your emergency macro, and it fails to put you back in bear. It probably isn't latency, but the fact that you are in a global cooldown.

The [item ] and [/item ] tags are useful for item linking in this forum. ([Bladeangel's Money Belt]).

As for the belt:
Use The Druid Wiki » ToskksDPSGearMethod (or any of the other spreadsheets/things linked in the first posts)
- Put in stats
- Select waist slot
- Hit Generate
- ???
- Profit.

It doesn't help that you haven't specified which SSC craftable belt you have (I would assume Deep Shadow).

Deep shadow is better than Bladeangel's by a fair bit, at the AP/crit levels where you have access to them.

Aye, apologies, I do indeed have the [Belt of Deep Shadow].

I'll try to figure out the /item function later when I'm not at work and don't have to stealth post!

Thanks for the direction Dukes!