Feral Megathread - Page 31

Junpei · 10/27/07, 10:48 PM

[Nordrassil Headdress]
[Frayed Tether of the Drowned]
[Thunderheart Pauldrons]
[Wyrmcultist's Cloak] +15 FR Enchant
[Inferno Hardened Chestguard] +15 Resilience
[Veteran's Dragonhide Bracers] +12 Defense, +8 Resilience gem
[Inferno Hardened Gloves] +8 FR Patch
[Blastguard Belt] - 2 x +15Stam Gems
[Blastguard Pants] - 1 x Void Sphere, 2 x +15Stam Gems
[Blastguard Boots] - 2 x +15Stam Gems
[Phoenix-fire Band]
[Ring of Unyielding Force]
[Shadowmoon Insignia]
[Spyglass of the Hidden Fleet]
[Pillar of Ferocity]

The whole ensemble brings you to around 280ish FR while leaving enough room to still get crit immune. Reaching cap FR isn't quite as important really as staying crit immune, so your gear choices should reflect that, it's fairly easy to hit the 250+ FR mark without dropping any crit immunity, pushing beyond that typically takes some luck in getting the items to stay crit immune.

I've recently picked up a couple of things on the cheap and so I could probably alter my gear list a bit to be able to pick up more FR from the [Amulet of the Torn-Heart] while staying crit immune.

♦ Regen · 10/27/07, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Foofer

You got dazed ~2 seconds after the flame spawned in that video, fyi

I have my own issues when tanking the flames, but daze hasn't been one of them. Walking backwards or strafing prevents that for the most part and you should pretty much always be in a position where you don't need to move too far/quickly.

>_> Doesn't count, always happens if you want to start at the end of a patch instead of where it spawns

In regards to Beam dodging, I'm fairly sure I strafe jumped there-- which will always avoid being dazed.

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In regards to Blood legion I'm going to go out on a limb and say alot of the Insane rogue dps comes from when their Dual legendaries are actually beating on Illidan --- Worst case you could set up paths so that win tank #1 is tanking beyond a line of fire tank #2 is inside his first trail allowing melee to swap

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Junpei: Here is what I wear for 299 FR (295 max unbuffed without fire aura) and Uncritable

Helm: T6 (T5 works the same in your model)
Neck: Amulet of the Torn-Heart (TK Quest Chain Cipher of Damnation)
Shoulders: T6
Back: Resolute Cape +15FR enchant
Chest: Heroic
Bracer: Vet's with 8 agi gem
Gloves: Heroic
Belt: Blastguard with 2x15stam
Legs: Heroics
Boots: Heroics
Ring: Exalted Kara + Pheonix-Fire
Trinket: Spyglass + Dawnstone Crag (in lack of Shadowmoon Insignia)
Wep: Wildfury

Lets me sit at 17k Unbuffed and maxed uncrit/FR --- not sure how your HP compares

• sadris · 10/27/07, 11:47 PM

[Elixir of Ironskin]

Thessaly · 10/28/07, 12:59 AM

I see a lot of people (well, you and Dukes) using the [Blastguard Boots] and [Blastguard Pants] over the [Inferno Hardened Boots] and [Inferno Hardened Leggings]. Aside from the badge cost, the Inferno pieces have more FR and might let you make up the Sta (and crit immunity) you lose in other slots, like Cloak. Is it just the badge cost, or is there some other reason?

Melthar · 10/28/07, 1:19 AM

[Flask of Chromatic Wonder] stacks with all of the appropriate buffs.

Junpei · 10/28/07, 1:47 AM

Originally Posted by Thessaly

I see a lot of people (well, you and Dukes) using the [Blastguard Boots] and [Blastguard Pants] over the [Inferno Hardened Boots] and [Inferno Hardened Leggings]. Aside from the badge cost, the Inferno pieces have more FR and might let you make up the Sta (and crit immunity) you lose in other slots, like Cloak. Is it just the badge cost, or is there some other reason?

For me, it's mostly just the stam. The more hp I have the more buffer I've got for those moments where you are either stuck in a blaze (really bad beams can cause this sometimes) for a few seconds longer then you'd like. With gemming, [Blastguard Boots] can be 57 stam and [Blastguard Pants] can be 75 stam. My gear list leaves me not very far from being capped and with either an Ironskin Elixir or even possible a Fort flask with newer gear I can put in the Torn-heart amulet and be FR capped while crit capped. Maybe even without them actually.

I cannot for the life of me remember why I felt the need to put a voidsphere in the pants though >.>

I'm at work currently so I'll have to check when I get back in about an hours time or so.

Felorin · 10/28/07, 3:31 AM

Thank you guys for all your hard work on this thread, I've been browsing it for a while. I am not near the gear lvl of most of you guys/gals here but one thing to consider in your calculations would be the pre BC leg enchant [Lesser Arcanum of Resilience]. Not sure how hard it might be to obtain now, I picked up 2 right at the start of BC.

Junpei · 10/28/07, 4:09 AM

Originally Posted by Regen

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Junpei: Here is what I wear for 299 FR (295 max unbuffed without fire aura) and Uncritable

Helm: T6 (T5 works the same in your model)
Neck: Amulet of the Torn-Heart (TK Quest Chain Cipher of Damnation)
Shoulders: T6
Back: Resolute Cape +15FR enchant
Chest: Heroic
Bracer: Vet's with 8 agi gem
Gloves: Heroic
Belt: Blastguard with 2x15stam
Legs: Heroics
Boots: Heroics
Ring: Exalted Kara + Pheonix-Fire
Trinket: Spyglass + Dawnstone Crag (in lack of Shadowmoon Insignia)
Wep: Wildfury

Lets me sit at 17k Unbuffed and maxed uncrit/FR --- not sure how your HP compares

Right, home now and looking at my gear. It's exactly as I posted. It puts me at 17035hp unbuffed with 20.45% dodge and 2.65% crit reduction at 281FR.

I'm assuming you've got +15 resilience on chest which means your resilience gives you around 1.56% reduction there meaning you'd have to make up 60-64 defense rating to make up the rest of crit immunity, trinket and ring give a total of 51. So I'm assuming your head and/or shoulder is enchanted with the defense ones?

I think that would make all the difference really since all my gear is enchanted with the offensive enchants where possible. If I could get hold of T6 helm I could reenchant my t5 one to be defensive stats to reach crit cap and then add in Torn-Heart to put me at 297 FR with crit immunity.

Maybe I should be a bit more aggressive in my bidding for the t6 helm next time : b

In response to Felorin: It was something that was considered early on when we were jsut getting there but really passing up 40stam and 12agility for 20 resistance just didn't stack up at all.

Kalidin · 10/28/07, 10:34 AM

Can also use season2 head imo for the resil

CD · 10/28/07, 11:10 AM

I'm surprised more people don't use the resistance flask- it has decent hp, some badly needed offensive stats and enough resistance to let you use a normal item elsewhere.
FR pieces:
[Amulet of the Torn-heart]
[Wyrmcultist's Cloak] + 15 FR enchant
[Inferno Hardened Chestguard] +15 Resilience enchant
[Inferno Hardened Gloves] +8 fire patch
[Blastguard Belt]+2 solid stars
[Blastguard Boots]+2 solid stars, 12 sta enchant
[Phoenix-fire Band]
[Flask of Chromatic Wonder]

Other pieces:
[Nordrassil Headdress] (Hit/ AP enchant)
[Nordrassil Feral-Mantle] (Scryer Enchant)
[Veteran's Dragonhide Bracers] (Solid star, +12 sta enchant)
[Pillar of Ferocity]
[Thunderheart Leggings]
[Band of the Abyssal Lord]
[Brooch of the Immortal King]
[Timelapse Shard]

296 FR, crit immunity no sockets wasted with void spheres, a decent amount of hit and ~16300 hp unbuffed (No endurance of course). This gets over 23k if I have an imp and non- improved commanding.
I get to use my best piece- t6 legs and have a slight buffer whereby at full hp I can take a beam and a 75% resisted melee hit and live dependant on healing.

Duilliath · 10/28/07, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kalidin

can also use season2 head imo for the resil

*offtopic*
some how this is wrong grammer dunno why..
*offtopic*

Try capitalising properly next time.

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Junpie, one might consider slotting in a PvP/Gladiator item in favour of what you're using now.
A 2piece bonus will get you close to crit immune without any particular effort already.

FunBall · 10/28/07, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by CD

I'm surprised more people don't use the resistance flask- it has decent hp, some badly needed offensive stats and enough resistance to let you use a normal item elsewhere.

The Chromatic Wonder flask is excellent for multi-purpose feral raiding.

Using some Toskk equivelancies for a raid buffed cat (say, 4500 AP and 45% crit chance) of 2.26 AP per strength and 3.00 AP per agility (assumes kings and SotF), 18 strength and 18 agility is worth about 95 AP. Not quite a relentless assault flask, but pretty close.

Defensively, 18 stam gives 306 health to a Night Elf (321 to a Tauren?). The 18 agility with kings and SotF provides 1.39% extra dodge. That combines into a nice tanking flask.

The resistances are icing on the cake.

Phorage · 10/28/07, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by Junpei

Reaching cap FR isn't quite as important really as staying crit immune

I have the exact opposite opinion. The occasional 4k crit (like once a try) isnt going to kill you. I always go for 365 FR (badge legs, gloves and boots and some more). It certainly will put less stress on your healers. At least thats my experience and I have tried with <365 as well.

dukes · 10/28/07, 7:21 PM

If you aren't crit immune there's always the chance for a 25% resist lining up with the crit causing a ~17k melee hit. If that happens not to line up with a big heal, that's a world of pain.

Not having crit immunity = burst (potentially semi-instagib).
Not having 365 fire res = more damage over time (i.e. more healer stress)

I don't see why anyone wouldn't go for both when it's perfectly possible to get both and still have reasonable other stats. I'm only crit immune with a flask on - I happened to forget 2 weeks ago and didn't get crit because it's that small a chance, however I wouldn't have intentionally done it and just because it happened once doesn't mean I won't still be taking flasks from now on. Taking unecessary risks just isn't good.

Wings · 10/29/07, 7:30 AM

I was wondering why Volden's Spreadsheet isn't added to the list. It's the "best" spreadsheet I personally found, much because of it's user friendliness. I can just select gear from a dropdown menu, select buffs and it calculates my DPS, much like all the awesome rogue spreadsheets going around. Just the kind I love!

I much prefer these kind of spreadsheets to the "input stats, get dps" thingies.

I'm not sure if it's been updated recently though; I'd love to see a new version with the 2.3 stats and more gear options.

On a side note, did anyone post a list of "best possible feral DPS gear" with the 2.3 changes in mind, including Arena gear? I couldn't find one.