I was tanking Vashj yesterday, got shocked (stun for 5 secs) and while stunned i tried to re-shift to get out of Roots. I left bear form and spent the stun in human form.

So i guess you'll deshift and die.

I'm not sure I understand the question, I was under the impression that if you are not in control of your actions, you can click all you want on whatever you want, nothing will happen because it's just not registered.

You can always use the /console command above to be sure nothing will happen anyway, if you think this is a concern.

One of the changes I like the most so far is to simply be able, when in one form, to click on another form in our "form bar" and switch immediatly to that form. The part I don't like is that you can't do it from flight form unless you are "on the ground". I wish I could do that whenever I want, or at least get a /console command to force that behaviour. For example when a kaliri comes after me, I like to start shifting to cat when I'm not yet on the ground, to start getting energy ticks since I don't really care about the fall damage anyway (especially in cat form). And this also means a "rawr bomb" requires 2 clicks instead of 1 if not macroed.

On PTR there was no automatic deshift for using items (it just gave an error message). I haven't tested on live or with a healthstone but you'll note that the item use macros posted previously have /cancelform in them.

That's completely different - you can always deshift while stunned. I think what he means would be more like "if you're stunned in bear form and click rejuv, will the client deshift you even though you can't cast rejuv while stunned?"

Yeah, essentially I'm wondering if the auto-deshift is contingent on the move you click being castable when you click it. If it is, and the auto-deshift is reliable, it seems like putting cancelform in your macros is a downright bad idea as opposed to simply unnecessary.

However i deshifted by using /cast bear form command. So i guess if i use /cast rejuvenation it behaves the same.

As for potions, using a potion will not deshift you. So you need to have /cancelform command in the macro imo.

Voldin, a few other spreadsheet issues I found:

• Estimated hits per second for OoC and 2T4 are based on average attacks of 4 & 5 combo point finishers, but the energy usage only from the 5 point finisher. It's also based on chance of a hit, but it is using base crit combined with special hit (not specials crit).
• It looks the "add dmg" for Ferocious Bite damage has both the mangle modifier applied as well as naturalist (also applied to end value). It also does not use an energy cost modified by misses like Rip does.

Yes, deshifting is contingent on the spell/action being usable when you click it, if you can't cast the spell(stunned/silenced) you won't deshift. Auto-deshifting does not happen for healthstones/mana potions/health potions etc. I haven't tested everything but it seems to be pretty much all "items" need a /cancelform macro and all spells will activate it automatically if the spell is castable. Basically there are only two reasons to use a /cancelform macro: 1. Reshifting - shifting from the same from to the same form to remove a snare/root or for an energy/rage boost from Furor; 2. Item Use - potions, stones, herbalism items, anything that is not a spell and does not activate the GCD will likely require a macro to deshift, use the item and shift back into the desired form.

Go into the Advanced Options, and put a checkmark in the box that allows you dismount while flying. Enjoy Rawrbombing.

Sigh. I need more sleep.

Why do you all put /cancelform in? WoW will do this automatically. If you hit the macro while GCD is up, you'll end in caster form.

Since you can cancelform even when you're not in control of your own actions. I think you're screwed either way in that scenario, with or without /cancelform

You need cancelform to use potions or other items. It doesn't shift you out automatically for those (at least it didnt on tuesday). I couldn't Pot or bandage by just hitting those buttons without making a macro to do so.

Alternatively, make a macro for each form that has /cancelform before the /cast Form line, if you prefer to be safe and not dismount through a misclick on something.

Why are you making the macro so hard and confusing? It's simple as it gets:

/cancelform
/use Master Healthstone
/use Healing Potion
/cast Dire Bear Form

or for cat

/cancelform
/use Master Healthstone
/use Healing Potion
/cast Cat Form


Those macros work perfectly fine, assuming you haven't activated the GCD.

The reason for the longer macro is that it is one keybind that works in both bear and cat form (the writer used stopmacro and bracket tests as a way of setting up a conditional block in a language that does not explicitly have that feature).

Has anyone run any numbers on [Idol of Terror] yet for kitty form? I've already accepted as gospel, purely from using it, that it is massively superior to anything else available for bear form tanking, but having it proc so often in kitty even in a shred rotation has tempted me to keep using it for that as well.

Sorry to go off topic, but my guild leader won't believe me that stacking agility is better than stacking strength. I'm at 3136 AP right now with 39.61% crit. Is stacking agility would is more beneficial than strength?

I tried using this idol along with the ashtongue exalted trinket on this weeks Gorefiend (WWS) and changing my rotation to mangle first rip second, with a focus on keeping the mangle debuff up. My rotations weren't all perfect however it was an overall dps loss from pre 2.3 so I beleive using the shred idol and bloodlust brooch along with normal rotations will be better next week. The mangle first approach does however seem, on paper, to scale better with high enough crit rates that ensure <12 second cycles.

Stacking agi would be better even if you're at 2k AP at this point

It has been shown before, but the shred idol is over 500 attack power (to that one attack). It would take quite a bit of agility to beat 500 AP on the Feral's main raid attack. Note for soloing you may find Terror better.

Terror is the best tanking idol.

He's an idiot, and probably a warrior.

ESPECIALLY now with the new HotW, Agi > Str point for point.

There is a crossover, but it's so low now that your gear would have to be abysmal to be under it at 70.