Edit: Realised my math was way off for a number of reasons. My math is now telling me Everbloom works out to be about 50AEP better off (or around 30% better) even with rough figures. So uhm, go everbloom!

The shred idol is 500ap? The one that adds 4dmg to periodic shred ticks? Or there's another one? Wondering cause I have that but it sure didn't look really good when I tested it, but it was mainly random tests. I know tho that the mangle idol is pretty good, when off cooldown(which is 10secs, the duration of the buff), it has ~90% to proc on the first mangle you do. I love it when grinding at least.

You have a bit of confusion in there. Shred is a direct damage, has no periodic ticks, and Everbloom idol adds 88 to that direct damage.

The other one is Rip, and the idol affecting it as you wrote (and yes, it's not that great), is the Idol of Feral Shadows.

Just to give the data to the answers:

The Druid Wiki » ToskksDPSGearMethod

Probably available in the Startposts...

Feral Druid DPS 2.3.0.1

Fixed the Expertise Calculations (hopefully for good)
Fixed Energy Calculations for OOC/2pc T4
Added No-Finisher Cycle
Corrected Wildfury Greatstaff
Fixed Ferocious Bite Damage Calculations
Fixed Ashtongue Trinket
Fixed Beserker's Call showing as Pre-BC

Thank you for doing this work Voldin.
Here's one tiny tweak: on the Gear_Buffs worksheet cell R6 needs to get it's value from the Buffed worksheet.

And a request: can [Spicy Hot Talbuk] be added to the consumables list please?

I am curious how people are doing this; is the 4/5 T6 set bonus so good that even with tanking-oriented enchants and gems it still surpasses any 4 other pieces? Or is it delicate gems all the way? [Crimson Spinel] is still a bit too rare for me to be able to put +10 agi gems in everything so I tend to go with [Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst] where I can but that's still losing out on 5 agility per slot. I'm not sure how well the T6 gear would hold up for dps with some 30 less agility in it than if you optimally gemmed it.

Re: Grimgrin Faceguard

My gear is way crappier than yours so Toskks' dynamic cat list might be off, but Grimgrin << T4 helm. Other than tier helms, the only clear upgrades would be the engineering (BoP), S3 arena and Cursed Vision.

For those who can't get a tier helm of any stripe, Grimgrin is a better bear alternative than most anything other than S3 arena. This was a surprise, and is based on Rawr beta 8 (gemming Delicate Ruby, Enduring Talasite and Solid Star).

My T6 Helm is gemmed and enchanted for Tanking. My other T6 pieces are gemmed with pure Agi in red sockets, Sta/Agi in blue and Agi/Hit in Yellow, so I can use them in both forms.

At the moment since I lack T6 shoulders at time of writing (Maybe tonight..) I use T4 helm and shoulders for DPS, since using a Tank gemmed and enchanted helm is bad. Once I can wear 4 T6 without the helm, I will, provided I find an upgrade to T4 helm for DPS.

Just a quick question from someone who hasn’t used pot macros before. I’d like to use the following macro to pot in forms (as posted earlier in this thread).

#showtooltip
/cancelform [stance:1]
/use [nostance] Super Healing Potion
/use [nostance] Master Healthstone
/cast [nostance] Dire Bear Form
/stopmacro [nostance]
/cancelform [stance:3]
/use Super Healing Potion
/use Master Healthstone
/cast Cat Form

However, when it has two /use items in a row like that, that don’t share a cooldown, does it use both items at the same time? If so, is there a way to make it use the Healthstone first, and ONLY use the healing potion if the HS cooldown is up?

Otherwise I can see myself making one copy of this macro for the HS and one for the pot, and taking my pick.

Its already in there, although its coded as BoE Crafted.
The Helm sheet is hidden, but it exists just like the others.

If I recall correctly, using the S3 PvP helm is the next best thing to the [Cursed Vision of Sargeras].

I'll try to add in the +hit food, and I'll make that other tweak for the next update also.

I've been really busy with starting a new job and moving, so I apologize for the updates and quality of work being a little bit subpar.

I've not looked at the spreadsheet so I can't comment on the formula but I thought it was generally accepted that on bleed immune bosses continual shredding eclipsed non-powershifting FB due to the energy drain making its cost huge for marginally more damage. I certainly net mroe damage from shred spam than using the combo points.

My ferocious bite does less damage than my average Shred if it does not critically hit, and on my last Void Reaver I seriously wondered if it was worth using it since most of my ferocious bites were not critical hits (I have 48% crit fully buffed), next time I will try to do the whole fight without it since I consider more and more ferocious bite as an useless attack breaking my cycle due to the energy drain (even with powershifting).

I was at 48% crit and around 4800 AP (I am with a warrior and an enh shaman)

On a side note I tried [Prism of Inner Calm] I got from vashj the day before and it is really awesome on this fight, I usually have to take pauses for my threat to remain under the warriors but with it I could go all in without any pause until the end (I just waited a little time before starting).

Thank you for the update Voldin. Would it be possible to select [Elemental Sharpening Stone] for the weapon. I cannot find an option for it at the moment. Also when I select the Blood Frenzy or Hemorrhage debuff my dps doesn't change. Am I missing something there?

So let me get this, is the s3 helm better then t4 for dps? If so i should grab mine next week!

Yes its way better except if you have the engineering dps head or Cursed Vision of Sargeras or you use the t4 head for the 2/5 set bonus.

Toskk's shows that [Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Tunic] is better than [Nether Shadow Tunic] if you can reach the hit cap that way.

How can PvP gear be better then PvE for raiding

I searched and could not find any direct DPS comparision of Staff of Primal Fury to either the S2 or S3 Mace. I picked this up last night and I believe I can now use my banked Arena points for the S3 head and chest instead of the Mace. The item link wants to point to the old Man Catcher (or I have it cached somewhere on my side), so I just linked the URL.

What are your thoughts?

1. It is an oversight on Blizz's part, and it may get fixed if enough people bitch about it.

2. It is NOT an oversight, and Blizz wants to encourage PVP arena participation.

Toskks' does have the latest stats on Staff of Primal Fury, and it shows S3 staff as 100 points better (if you have the rating of course to get it), the S3 and S2 maces as 90 and 250 points to the worse respectively. That said, I do not know how well Toskks has modeled SoPF's +315 penetration.

Alright, few questions from my side.

1) There's a lot of new items in 2.3 from ZA that give you armor penetration stats like ignore armor and not to mention even an enchant on your weapon. Is this really worth stacking? I mean does it is make a huge difference to increase feral DPS in a raid by significant amount? Just how good is armor penetration for raiding point of view? If it that good, should we give up the T4 helm over S3? For example, most of us probably use [Stag-Helm of Malorne], but what about [Vengeful Gladiator's Dragonhide Helm]?

2) How good is the T4 2pc set? Good enough to ignore it for the 4 pc T5 set bonus? I personally would love to have that extra shred damage. I think there's got a be a price to give up the T4 2pc set bonus at a certain point when you are hit capped and sitting at a high amount of AP/Crit, dishing out a high amount of dps. Shouldn't that be our highest priority? Having a good amount of AP/Crit along with Hit capped so we can sustain high DPS over any thing else?

3) A lot of us don't have multiple sets of Tier gear, meaning we usually enchant and gem our T4/T5/T6 for tanking since it's what we do the most. How do you make the perfect DPS off-spec set that's viable for good sustained DPS? For example, my T4 shoulders are gemed and enchanted for tanking, which is why I use [Shoulderpads of the Stranger] for my DPS set since it offers the best stats I can get.