I'd say that you dont need FA for this.

Build i am considering for the upcoming weeks of Sunwell Farming: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The point in Brutal Impact is there purely for M'uru, but i may skip it if the adds wont be as big problem.

If you want OOC, then i think purely cat form build is the only possibility.

Don't even worry about it, along with the rest of Sunwell the adds are trivialized. Also why do you have 2 points in Pred. Instincts? Primal Precision is better, no?

For 70 I decided to spend most of my talent points in the feral combat tree. At 71 I’ll switch over to Omen of Clarity.

This build is intended to maximize survivability for tanking, with Primal Tenacity thrown in to increase survivability in PvP.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Notables:

I skip Feral Instinct; Primal Precision; Predatory Instincts; and Rend and Tear.

I could see an argument for scrimping a point here and there for either Rend & Tear or Feral Instinct. (I’m often in the company of a prot pally, so am rarely doing much in the way of AoE tanking.)

One option for scrimping points would be 1 fewer point in Infected wounds; 1 fewer points in furor; 1 fewer points in Survival of the Fittest since my gear easily gives me sufficient resilience/defense.

What are others thinking? Suggestions welcome.

For PvP are folks focusing on damage or survival?


Also, what are folks using for stat weights in Rawr and Lootrank.com?

I suspect the AC and agi nerfs have played havoc with my bear tanking set and gems.

Does mangle still increase shred damage? It doesn't mention it in the tooltip any more, but I tested on the dummies and it seems to buff shred, I just want a confirmation. If that's the case, should we still use mangle if there is a warrior with Trauma in the raid?

My DPS gear is 2xT4, badge, PvP, S3 staff. I have 2xT6, but it is gemmed for tanking so I am not using it. Our guild raided BT yesterday and while some people had their DPS increased up to 1000dps compared to pre-patch, my DPS was only about 200-300dps higher than I used to have. So, I ended up pretty low on the charts (7-8 vs 2-4 pre-patch).

I guess part of this was my confusion about using mangle in my rotation. Sometimes I would use it and it would not show up as a debuff. I am not sure if that's because trauma was up and mangle debuff did was not applied or because my new UI wasn't displaying debuffs properly. Basically, I would try to keep mangle, rake, and rip up and shred. I'm specced Shredding Attacks, RnT, OoC, no imp. Mangle.

In short: Does Mangle still buff shred? If it does, when I Mangle a mob with Trauma, is Mangle debuff applied or is it discarded because they do not stack? If if mangle does apply on top of trauma (even though they do not stack), should I keep it up anyway?

So last night's Sunwell had me at about 2200 dps sustained with the aforementioned rotation, which is vastly inferior to the rest of the raid. What gives? Also, it seems clear to me that if you have 35-40 energy, a bite will always be more dps than a rip. I was getting 7kish consistent crits, with 9-10k peaks against low-armor bosses, which doesn't take a mathmatician to determine is more than a full-duration rip, while also benefitting from armor penetration, et al.

I'm not new to feral dps, and I had several Brutallus parses over 2100 (with manglebot, obviously), but it seems to me that these buffs are minimal, at best. Anyone have a different experience?

Very simply: Savage Roar.

Hmm... I still had FB using a 15% AP multiplier at level 70 and 25% at 72. I think I just wasn't sure initially how they updated the older ranks. Do all ranks use the 35% multiplier now (7% per CP)? It definitely matches the numbers you posted and it makes sense compared to other ability scaling.

This would put FB (w/ RnT) higher DPE than Rip unless you have the Rip glyph.

You need to remember that SotF not only reduces chance to be crit, but increases stats. +2% to stats per talent point, what else could be better since you are going for survivability? Primal Precision is +10 Expertise, again rated very high for TPS. RnT is huge for TPS as well, with it and any sort of bleed Maul hits like a truck. Overall it looks like you traded some of the best threat items for PvP talents. I'd also reconsider Shredding Attacks and KotJ.

I was asking some of these same questions in the WotLK thread as well. Mobs just die to fast for such a long cycle. I'd appreciate any input on my post and possible spec/cycle I posted here:
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t26297-d...24/#post939940

Hello here, i want some confirmations about the difference in dps between mangle/rake/shrek/rip cycle and mangle spam/rake/fb one. All that i read in this topic don't answer very clearly which dps rotation is the best with a dps template (so with R&D). Mangle spamming, with low energy cost mangles thanks to improved mangle and 2p6 can be better than using shred ?

Thanks for your answers

If you are using the rip glyph, Rip will still be more damage than bite, even with maxed out RnT (assuming you use the saved energy on a partial shred).