If you are using the rip glyph, Rip will still be more damage than bite, even with maxed out RnT (assuming you use the saved energy on a partial shred).
This is accurate, but even if rip ticks out for say, 7k, it's still a minor increase over a bite for 6700 with 5-10 energy saved give or take lag. Besides, my glyphs are for resto pvp at the moment, seeing as sunwell clears in 1:10 don't require me to waste my glyphs on them. Still, that increase in dps even with pve glyphs, would be disappointingly minor. I'm not ready to cry wolf until 80, anyway. We'll see how it pans out.
Yeah Bag, 70 Catform is honeslty just bad. Unbuffed shadowpriests are pulling 2k on the dummies and I'm having a hard time breaking 1800. Bear spec/Glyphs atm, but the new talents just seem underwhelming in comparison to the bearform changes. If/when I respec I'm going to drop Imp Mangle to pick up shredding attacks again, and likely a couple other bear talents for more cat dps and I'll re-evaluate.
Also, I know the priority at 80 is Expertise > Hit > Str > Haste? > Agi > Crit > AP, but at 70 are we seeing the same thing (in terms of Agi being shit)
Beta patch 3.0.3 says "Primal Instinct no longer works in Bear" while 3.0.2 talents still say it works in Cat and Bear.
Did they just miss to change the tooltip in 3.0.2 as the nerf was announced some time before release, or is this one of those class changes that didn't make it into live?
I'm back at home on Monday and will test it then (unless I read it here before *g*).
3.0.3 only changes the tooltip; as of one of the later patches of 3.0.2, Predatory Instincts does not work in bear forms, for any aspect of the talent. This is already reflected in the official updated 3.0.2 patch notes.
I'm not planning on carrying on this thread for 3.0 / Wrath. I've added headers to the main posts to say that most of the information is out of date, but left it up in case anyone wants it as a template for sorting a 3.0 post. I'm not up to date enough with the Feral information and probably not even playing as Feral in Wrath, so I don't really have the motivation to update this / keep it updated. This thread is probably long enough that it warrants a re-create anyway.
One thing I'm noticing, even in cat form, is a "more powerful spell is already active" message on FF. With no moonkin, CoW, or Sting, the only thing I can think of is that since it's affected by AP now for damage in Bear, it won't overwrite properly.