Feral Megathread - Page 336

Baggles · 10/17/08, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by Malazaar

If you are using the rip glyph, Rip will still be more damage than bite, even with maxed out RnT (assuming you use the saved energy on a partial shred).

This is accurate, but even if rip ticks out for say, 7k, it's still a minor increase over a bite for 6700 with 5-10 energy saved give or take lag. Besides, my glyphs are for resto pvp at the moment, seeing as sunwell clears in 1:10 don't require me to waste my glyphs on them. Still, that increase in dps even with pve glyphs, would be disappointingly minor. I'm not ready to cry wolf until 80, anyway. We'll see how it pans out.

Boevis · 10/17/08, 9:34 PM

Yeah Bag, 70 Catform is honeslty just bad. Unbuffed shadowpriests are pulling 2k on the dummies and I'm having a hard time breaking 1800. Bear spec/Glyphs atm, but the new talents just seem underwhelming in comparison to the bearform changes. If/when I respec I'm going to drop Imp Mangle to pick up shredding attacks again, and likely a couple other bear talents for more cat dps and I'll re-evaluate.

Also, I know the priority at 80 is Expertise > Hit > Str > Haste? > Agi > Crit > AP, but at 70 are we seeing the same thing (in terms of Agi being shit)

cana · 10/18/08, 2:04 PM

Beta patch 3.0.3 says "Primal Instinct no longer works in Bear" while 3.0.2 talents still say it works in Cat and Bear.
Did they just miss to change the tooltip in 3.0.2 as the nerf was announced some time before release, or is this one of those class changes that didn't make it into live?

I'm back at home on Monday and will test it then (unless I read it here before *g*).

Cuer · 10/18/08, 5:44 PM

3.0.3 only changes the tooltip; as of one of the later patches of 3.0.2, Predatory Instincts does not work in bear forms, for any aspect of the talent. This is already reflected in the official updated 3.0.2 patch notes.

Oiysters · 10/19/08, 11:12 PM

Has anyone determined exactly how Glyph of Rake works?

Nathariel · 10/20/08, 1:04 AM

From using it in Beta, the glyph adds an additional debuff when you cast Rake that lasts the same amount of time as the DoT portion.

This debuff prevents mobs from running away, similar to the effect from Curse of Recklessness.

seminarca · 10/20/08, 1:13 AM

Yes, Glyph of Rake merely stops mobs from fleeing at low HP. It's not a snare or anything.

edit: Left the reply window up too long =x

Oiysters · 10/20/08, 1:14 AM

So no CoR-style armor debuff for pvp?

seminarca · 10/20/08, 1:19 AM

What the hell? Is has no effect on mitigation. The CoR example is only meant to show the similarity in preventing the target from fleeing at low hp. There is no snare at all. It's useless in PvP =/

• Caniki · 10/20/08, 9:14 AM

Originally Posted by seminarca

What the hell? Is has no effect on mitigation. The CoR example is only meant to show the similarity in preventing the target from fleeing at low hp. There is no snare at all. It's useless in PvP =/

Useless in PVP, but quite handy while leveling. I don't plan on keeping it around after that though.

dukes · 10/20/08, 1:40 PM

I'm not planning on carrying on this thread for 3.0 / Wrath. I've added headers to the main posts to say that most of the information is out of date, but left it up in case anyone wants it as a template for sorting a 3.0 post. I'm not up to date enough with the Feral information and probably not even playing as Feral in Wrath, so I don't really have the motivation to update this / keep it updated. This thread is probably long enough that it warrants a re-create anyway.

Tublade · 10/20/08, 4:11 PM

Thanks Dukes, for all the time and effort you put into this thread. It has helped me loads for a long time!
(Sorry if this post is not conform forum standards, just wanted to mention this).

sibblet · 10/20/08, 11:03 PM

my rip tick is hitting for 700-750 and my ferocious bite is hitting for 7.5k or higher. Bite is currently better for me. Hunter pets are keeping the bleed up 100% of the time for me on raids too.

Boevis · 10/20/08, 11:14 PM

One thing I'm noticing, even in cat form, is a "more powerful spell is already active" message on FF. With no moonkin, CoW, or Sting, the only thing I can think of is that since it's affected by AP now for damage in Bear, it won't overwrite properly.

seminarca · 10/20/08, 11:51 PM

Should be easy enough to verify this, Boevis. Pull a random mob with FFF in Bear Form, then switch to Cat Form and try to overwrite it.