When did that happen? Parry not triggering a swing timer reset was enabled only for Mother Shahraz, if I remember.

I am not sure what you mean.

But i am sure that when mob parries your attack, he gets counterattack in a form of hastened next swing. Our MT died due to this last month on Karathress where he got unlucky crushings due to parry hastening boss's attack.

Parry resets the swing timer for all mobs except Mother Shahraz, where this was disabled because it was so unforgiving/stupid due to ports.

This is why (besides the obvious DPS benefits and cleave/frontal cone attack issues) all melee DPS stands behind mobs, because otherwise a string of parries from melee can instagib a tank.

From last week wws, i'm pretty sure Mother Sharaz still can parry.

I believe the discussion here does not imply Mother Shahraz can not parry but the fact that her parries will not haste her swings.

From last week wws:


21:26'03.281 Mother Shahraz's Melee parried by Redsonia
734 Redsonia's Devastate hits Mother Shahraz for 258

21:26'04.531 Redsonia's Heroic Strike parried by Mother Shahraz
546 Mother Shahraz's Melee hits Redsonia for 8886

21:26'05.

609 Redsonia's Revenge hits Mother Shahraz for 340

21:26'06.359 Redsonia's Heroic Strike hits Mother Shahraz for 321
484 Mother Shahraz's Melee hits Redsonia for 7708 (409 blocked)

1.265s between swings with parry, 1.938s without. Still good old Sharaz.

Yes, few months ago it was said by Daelo (i think) that they will create new flag for bosses so they can disable parry. But so far, nothing changed.

Yeh, you guys are right. I stand corrected. I thought that the Mother fix changed that stupid mechanic entirely.

Since when the mob you're tanking parrys you, would that imply its better to stop spamming lacerate/swipe on the boss if the fight is not threat intensive and you're sufficiently above the rest of the raid (for example Al'ar phase 1)?

Yes. At some point you should just disable your autoattack entirely.

Hey all --

When I have enough badges or honor (haven't decided which) I'm going to pick up one of the new max health trinkets for PvP. The only question is, should I go for 80AP or 40 crit rating?

From a straight-up dps perspective AP should win out. It's 88 AP in cat form, which by Toskk's methodology is quite a bit over 40 crit, (1 AP:1.55 crit with my gear) though of course that's based on raid damage w/ Rip and so overvalues AP somewhat.

But crit provides self-heal from Improved LotP, additional rage/energy points, and more bursty damage, all advantageous in PvP.

Which would you choose?

Actually, given what we know about the fight and parry, from a minmaxing point of view no tank should do anything at all to Al'ar during phase 1 except stand in the correct place to eat his hits and get healed.

I mean, not that it really has any appreciable effect, but that's the "best practice."

Is there an updated version of the kitty dps spreadsheet available? The link to the last one no longer seems to work...

Look at the end of Tokks page there is also a mangle(cat), mangle(bear) optimizer.

Obviously this depends to some extent on what your melee are doing in phase 1.

Dampen Magic doesn't reduce the damage of the shards, if that's what you mean.

Re: hit/expertise
[Brooch of Deftness] and [Item not found!] are both excellent for making up the shortfall for tanking. I also like [Pepe's Shroud of Pacification].

I'm currently working on adding a PvP model to my spreadsheet. It may take a while to get a decent version ready though. This will obviously vary greatly on your enemy and combat situation.

Right now I have options for a 6 or 10 second burst starting with either 60 or 100 energy and mangle/shreding or just mangle. I'm not including a finisher atm since I often end up saving CP for maim. I'm not including it now, but plan to add the damage from pounce and/or maim. I also want to be able to customize enemy stats more (armor/resilience). Trying a few combinations, in all cases the AP trinket comes out ahead so far.

Of course enemy classes vary, but crit isn't always the best means to improve burst damage.

Wasn't sure if I should start a new thread about this or not, but since it's specific to feral druids... From what I understand, with the new instant shapeshifts it's possible to shift out of bear, use a potion, and shift back instantly - i.e., with NO chance of being hit while out of form.

Last night, while tanking Morogrim, I got caught out of form. Since it of course resulted in a wipe I'm pretty much stuck not trying to pot while tanking until I get it figured out. (even if I do get it figured out, I think it's going to be frowned upon based on this one experience).

Here's the macro that I used:

I had a Master Healthstone and a Super Healing Potion in my inventory. I was also at full mana, so I know that it wasn't a problem of not having enough mana to switch back to bear form.

Here's the relevant part of the WWS logs. I've included only those lines that refer to me and I've removed all of the healing:

I have NO idea what the whole warstomp thing is there. Warstomp is on my changing action bar (i.e., when I'm in bear form it's not even visible or available) and its location is nowhere near my macro button or shapeshift button.

Anyone have any ideas? Does Morogrim perform a stun? It occurred to me just now that if I were stunned when I tried to pot then I could shift out without being able to shift back, although then I shouldn't have been able to use the pot and HS.

Anyone else run into this? I always thought the instant shapeshift was 100% safe and I have yet to hear of anyone getting caught out of form. Maybe it's just VERY rare?

Unfortunately, the log that I have doesn't show any messages for me losing bear form, or gaining it.

Thanks for any help you can give!

These seem to be the relevant lines, implying that you hit your potion/hs macro 1.063s after you hit lacerate. Thus you were inside of a bear GCD, and couldn't shift back into bear form until it was up. The warstomp probably occured because you hit the maul/mangle bear button which corresponds to warstomp for you in caster form.

Yep. I'm going to guess your GCD wasn't refreshed. I have used the new bear pot/healthstone macro on tidewalker successfully.

Curious about how good the Shapeshifter's Signet is now. I was looking at my WWS and noticed that Im still using veterns band. But not quite sure if Shapeshifter's Signet is an upgrade since 2.3 changed it from Feral combat skill to expertise.

Any advice?

edit: im actually looking for something better to replace Veterns. Somthing with a lil more hit, just all around pretty much. I know I could get vindicators but I dont pvp much. My guild raids BT but no rings of Decetiful intent yet.

My other ring is the band of eternity, working on getting that exalted. And thats a really good dps ring.

D'oh! Forgot about the GCD from the bear specials. Don't know how I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out guys.

/use Dunce Cap

In general, expertise is an ok stat. Useful for threat generation as well as doing damage. But the exact value is, as usual, dependent on the rest of your gear.

Plug your stats into Toskk's utility and see how the ring ranks for yourself.

so its pretty good with increasing the +hit aspect. I would say its good for dps until Intent ring drops, not so much for tanking cause my guild has had a ton of Rings drop from Supremus. I think weve had like 6 brutilizers and like 8 rings its nuts. Which in my opinion is a good ring that bridges that +hit gap missing from feral tanking gear.