Originally Posted by Carlos
Going some pages back due to a discussion elswhere, I found the last sentence of Boevis confusing...
My Swipes going up to 450 on crit. So if the average Swipe is about 210 with 30% crit in tacking gear that would mean an average damage of 273 damage from Swipe which is just above your value.
Did I calculate something wrong or was that allready taken into account?
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No you haven't calculated anything wrong. I don't know what Boevis was ranting about there, his post is confusing.
I think hes trying to justify keeping a max stack of Lacerate ticking in between swipe spam.
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201.5 * 4 * .2 = 161.2 + 295 = 456.2 threat. This works out to be equal to a 272 Swipe.
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This is 201.5 per tick of lacerate with mangle up.
The 4 is how many ticks he has before renewing.
The .2 is the threat modifier on lacerates bleed effects so the 806 bleed damage only works out as 161.2 damage worth of threat. Then he adds in the threat of the lacerate that hes using to renew the stack and adding the previous 4 (or next 4) mangle ticks to that lacerate's threat.
Lacerate threat is:
Innate (frontload) threat: 285
Threat from direct damage and bleed: 20% of damage done (aka. 1000 damage = 200 threat regardless of bleed or direct damage).
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So his 295 flat threat figure includes the upfront damage of 50.
The bit that confuses me is the leap from a 456.2 threat lacerate stack refresh to a 272 swipe. I can't remember if swipe has a threat modifier but as far as I'm aware the old 175% one was removed n 2.0.10 and it was just pure damage done from then.
So the 272 figure is strange. Unless I'm totally missing something 456.2 is the exact damage swipe would need to do to beat even keeping lacerate up at all.
Including bearform and bearfiance the 272 is 394.4 threat whereas if you include that in the lacerate + 4 bleeds one it comes out at 661.49.
So to sum up as far as I'm aware, your lacerate is doing a flat 295 aggro on a hit. You also get maybe 1 tick per application for another 155/0.2 = 31 threat so 326 threat. So you'd need a 326 damage average on your swipe to beat this, less on bleed immune.